Edin Dzeko (continued)

[The Flash]

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It's this Puppet character that hides behind City fans by using 'we, us' vs them, bad mouthing Dzeko and Bosnians in general (or whoever has a different opinion to his). What's behind it, I don't know, but the fact that on the BM Home Page in the forum section, there is always Dzeko among recent posts, and more likely than not, Puppet as a poster, must mean something. Man crush, stalking, maybe he is even Bosnian whose girlfriend or sister Dzeko dated but refused to marry, don't know. I am sure modern medicine has a name for it, and perhaps, cure. No disrespect, just trying to help.

So please stop using us, we,..., asking for facts or evidence without ever providing any. Sometimes problems are of emotional nature, not factual, so numbers here will not help.

Puppet is correct using "we" and "us". We are City fans who support a club that is a hundred and odd years old, most of "us" have supported it from childhood and will continue to do so well past retirement. It is a football club but also a community. The humour in the Cellar is different from anywhere else on the internet because it is essentially a laddish Mancunian humour, mainly because the forum grew up around Mancunian lads going to the game and having somewhere to vent or Mancunian lads who used to go to the games and moved away still keeping in touch.

He uses "we" because we all use "we". We think of City fans and Bluemooners as one general collective and you really see this best when we lose one of our own.

There is a "we" on this site and there is a "you". We are the City fans who will be here for the rest of our lives, "you" are fans interested in a single player who happens to play for City and will mostly piss off in the summer. Then you'll go to another club's forums and create all of the problems that you have created here, incessantly whinging about how your favourite player is mistreated because he's actually stuck in below par performances for about 3 years. "You" have made our silly little community a more argumentative and shit place to post in the entire time that Dzeko has been here and you've created the rods for you own backs in your attitudes to City and its fans.

It's not that I don't like Bosnians, I'm not sure I could even find Bosnia on a map to be honest, it's that I don't like non-City fans who come on here with a single issue and make the place worse for others. If I had my way we would have banned all of these people as WUMs about two years ago, and I don't ban anyone. Be thankful that Ric is a much fairer and straight minded person than I.

Now you complain that a City fan uses the words "us" and "we", something that every City fan and indeed every football fan has done for the past 100 years without a problem. You see, we argue all the time here. There's a couple of posters that wound me up so much that I wanted to bleeding throttle them and I'm sure many can say the same about me. There was however an understanding that whilst we wound each other up, it was both because we passionately believed that whatever we were saying was the correct course of action for City, the club that we both love. We both wanted what is best for City and we often disagree on what that is.

"You" don't however. You want what is best for Edin Dzeko which does not always correspond to what is best for Manchester City. Considering that you're on a City site and not a Dzeko site, this is why there is friction. If the decision for you was for Dzeko to score 5 goals in a CL Final and lose 6-5 or be dropped completely and win 5-0, we think you'd choose the former which is why people aren't very welcoming. You don't want the same thing as us, our goals might align at times but it's never good enough unless Dzeko plays every game, and the team gets built around him, and everybody gives him the ball on every occasion, and eve then it's not his fault if he doesn't perform. Most of you go to other sites and ruthlessly slag off City and City fans. In this thread one of you is making false claims that City fans booed one of their own players, which if you didn't know is one of those things that's a wee bit insulting for some who take that type of thing seriously.

Summer will come and almost all of you will drop off posting. A year after that, when we're still singing his name as one of the heroes of modern City, you'll be on some other club's fansite using the same tired arguments you've used here for years and having a whole different set of fans find you as annoying as we do.

 

[Matty]

I'm not sure if that last paragraph was aimed at me but can I make it clear that I like Edin...he frustrates me but I like him and think he's a great striker.

There is no need for booing players. I was just trying to make the point that non-city fans on this forum should not slag off actual city fans on this forum because of what they read in the papers. Fair enough you have given actual evidence but as people have already posted, the actions of one or two supporters don't account for every city fan. Unfortunately some fan boys can't see reason.

You're cool, providing arguments and all.

It's this Puppet character that hides behind City fans by using 'we, us' vs them, bad mouthing Dzeko and Bosnians in general (or whoever has a different opinion to his). What's behind it, I don't know, but the fact that on the BM Home Page in the forum section, there is always Dzeko among recent posts, and more likely than not, Puppet as a poster, must mean something. Man crush, stalking, maybe he is even Bosnian whose girlfriend or sister Dzeko dated but refused to marry, don't know. I am sure modern medicine has a name for it, and perhaps, cure. No disrespect, just trying to help.

So please stop using us, we,..., asking for facts or evidence without ever providing any. Sometimes problems are of emotional nature, not factual, so numbers here will not help.

Go and find an example of me referring to the City fan base as us/me, please. 50% of your posts are in the Dzeko forum if you're wondering, the others slagging off Negredo.

And if I do occasionally use the phrase "us" or "we" it's probably because I'm at games with City fans every week and regularly sharing views with them. I'm not just a JCL who's supported us since 2012 (you).

edit: Christ I've just seen Damocles make the point I was but doing it a lot better, apologies.

As Damocles said (a post I agree with pretty much word for word) it's normal, natural, and totally acceptable for you or I to refer to Manchester City Football club and it's fans as "we" and "us", because it IS we and us. I attended my first City game 26 years ago this month, when as a 9 year old my City supporting father took me and my brother to a Full Members Cup game. When you've got memories such as that to recall, and you've suffered alongside fellow fans for as long as many of US have then I'd like to think WE are indeed all in this together. I refer to City and it's fans as US and WE and there's no-one whose going to stop me, or make me feel that it's not the right thing to do.

 

[Anonymous]

where are you getting it from?
By the way, what makes negredo a heavy striker? since you love bringing up tenuously relevant facts, Negredo weighs 79kg, Dzeko 84kg according to whoscored.com
And negredo has plenty of skill when he needs to beat a player, did you miss his goals against munich and spurs?

Believe me. My stats are correct. Negredo is not pacey striker. heavy or tall strikers or combained are not pacey. They can have few speed bursts or tricks but they can not run all the time. Anywhere near Suarez or Aguero can for example.
Dzeko had scored similar goal to that Negredos vs Bayern in most important game of that time for Bosnia. By that goal Bosnia was in front of France. Unfortunatelly that game ended 1:1. And Bosnia was second in a group that year.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VmgoZ2XoI[/youtube]

As for FIRST TEAM. It is soooo easy:
Hart; Zabaleta, Kompany,Nastasic, Kolarov; Silva, Fernandinho, Yaya, Nasri, Aguero and Negredo
7 SUBS:
Pantilimon, Demichelis, Richards ( when fit ), Clichy, Milner, Navas and Dzeko. ( because Richards is injured a lot it is famous Garcia in instead of Richards ),
Lescott, Rodwell, Jovetic and Guidetti are fighting to be even on the bench. I still to not believe that Jovetic was injured in ALL 30 games. It sure must be some games where he could not of played because all others was fit. At least in first 5 pre season games Jovetic was fit and was played just 45 min against Milan. It is perfectly understandable that manager dont need new January signings. Why ? Well he needs to give JoJo, Rodwell and other more time, does he. How can he do that by signing even more new players.

 

[Matty]

Believe me. My stats are correct. Negredo is not pacey striker. heavy or tall strikers or combained are not pacey. They can have few speed bursts or tricks but they can not run all the time. Anywhere near Suarez or Aguero can for example.

This is another "black and white" debate, like when people seem to think if you don't believe Dzeko is excellent then you must think he's shit. Just because someone isn't as lightning fast as an Aguero, or a Suarez, doesn't mean they are not fast. Dzeko isn't fast, but then no-one has ever claimed he is. Negredo is considerably faster than Dzeko, he's not as fast as Aguero, but that's fine. Negredo IS fast, he's just not as fast as the games fastest players. Your assertion that tall strikers can't be quick is a misnomer, being tall doesn't mean you can't be quick. Usain Bolt is 6 foot 5!!

 

[aguero93:20]

Believe me. My stats are correct. Negredo is not pacey striker. heavy or tall strikers or combained are not pacey. They can have few speed bursts or tricks but they can not run all the time. Anywhere near Suarez or Aguero can for example.
Dzeko had scored similar goal to that Negredos vs Bayern in most important game of that time for Bosnia. By that goal Bosnia was in front of France. Unfortunatelly that game ended 1:1. And Bosnia was second in a group that year.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VmgoZ2XoI[/youtube]

Dzeko scored against france, what's your point here Baka? I've already seen all these goals and they don't advance your "Dzeko should be first choice/ Dzeko doesn't get enough game time" arguments. I'll try to explain something to you again. I'm a Manchester City fan, I went to my first game in 1994, we won 2-1 against Newcastle. I've seen an awful lot of players wear this clubs jersey, some bad, some mediocre, some good, some great. at most of the times I've been a Manchester city fan Dzeko would have been the star player in the team and an automatic 1st choice, but at this particularly blessed moment in time we have a superior striker called Alvaro Negredo and a superior centre forward called Sergio Aguero. Dzeko does not deserve to play ahead of these two in the big games when they're both fit and available, so he plays (plenty) in other games, much like milner in midfield, clichy at left back, pantailamon in goals. If he showed enough in the other games he plays to deserve a place in the starting 11 for big games, then starting 11 he would get, I really don't see Pellegrini as somebody stupid enough to jeopardise his own job by not picking what he sees as his strongest team, also he's a top class manager who knows a hell of a lot better what players he has available than you, or I do. So I accept the team he picks. as should you.
Furthermore, while I'm always happy to see any City player play well and be successful when they play with their national teams, their international form is of absolutely no importance to me. I really don't give a fuck when it comes down to it how many times negredo scores for spain, aguero scores for argentina or Dzeko scores for bosnia, or how they score the goals because it has sweet fuck all to do with my football club. So stop posting youtube videos of dzeko scoring for bosnia, Wolfsburg or that Czech team he played for before joining Wolfsburg as if they prove that we're all wrong and he doesn't get enough game time, they don't. nobody really gives a shit.

 

[LJ75]

There is a "we" on this site and there is a "you".

Well, I am not 'YOU' as in Dzeko fanboys, as you sometimes call them. I could not care less about Dzeko, f--k him. And I understand your point, you are a sensible guy, with vested powers of a moderator :-), and thanks for taking your time to elaborate. If I were you, I would have closed this thread long time ago, since it's no longer about Dzeko anyway. But Puppet goes beyond pure hatred, it's pathological obsession, hence my interest in this topic - that's why I am saying there is help for people like him. And I suppose he is of age, a big boy already, and can stand up for himself.

As for we / you / us, I suppose club's ambitions are beyond Manchester city limits, geographically, and your Asian, American, African, (i.e. anyone outside of Manchester) etc friends may not like your definition of a 'true' MC supporter, and neither would the good Sheikh. MC nowadays aspires to become a global brand (or you may argue that it is already), and in the process, it has, and it will continue losing it's locality. But that's a good thing. It generates revenues and enables you to buy better players and expand your stadium.
There will always be the core, those who were with the club during difficult times, since forever and you have full right to cherish that fact. But please embrace those newcomers - Asians, Africans, Americans, Austrians,...and yes, Bosnians as well. It demonstrates both personal and organizational greatness.

On a separate note, kudos to Bakas, Jasmins etc for managing to have Dzeko thread among those with biggest number of posts.

Peace

 

[Proelia]

Believe me. My stats are correct. Negredo is not pacey striker. heavy or tall strikers or combained are not pacey. They can have few speed bursts or tricks but they can not run all the time. Anywhere near Suarez or Aguero can for example.

This is another "black and white" debate, like when people seem to think if you don't believe Dzeko is excellent then you must think he's shit. Just because someone isn't as lightning fast as an Aguero, or a Suarez, doesn't mean they are not fast. Dzeko isn't fast, but then no-one has ever claimed he is. Negredo is considerably faster than Dzeko, he's not as fast as Aguero, but that's fine. Negredo IS fast, he's just not as fast as the games fastest players. Your assertion that tall strikers can't be quick is a misnomer, being tall doesn't mean you can't be quick. Usain Bolt is 6 foot 5!!

Suarez is slow

 

[Georgian Maestro]

Y
It's this Puppet character that hides behind City fans by using 'we, us' vs them, bad mouthing Dzeko and Bosnians in general (or whoever has a different opinion to his). What's behind it, I don't know, but the fact that on the BM Home Page in the forum section, there is always Dzeko among recent posts, and more likely than not, Puppet as a poster, must mean something. Man crush, stalking, maybe he is even Bosnian whose girlfriend or sister Dzeko dated but refused to marry, don't know. I am sure modern medicine has a name for it, and perhaps, cure. No disrespect, just trying to help.

So please stop using us, we,..., asking for facts or evidence without ever providing any. Sometimes problems are of emotional nature, not factual, so numbers here will not help.

Puppet is correct using "we" and "us". We are City fans who support a club that is a hundred and odd years old, most of "us" have supported it from childhood and will continue to do so well past retirement. It is a football club but also a community. The humour in the Cellar is different from anywhere else on the internet because it is essentially a laddish Mancunian humour, mainly because the forum grew up around Mancunian lads going to the game and having somewhere to vent or Mancunian lads who used to go to the games and moved away still keeping in touch.

He uses "we" because we all use "we". We think of City fans and Bluemooners as one general collective and you really see this best when we lose one of our own.

There is a "we" on this site and there is a "you". We are the City fans who will be here for the rest of our lives, "you" are fans interested in a single player who happens to play for City and will mostly piss off in the summer. Then you'll go to another club's forums and create all of the problems that you have created here, incessantly whinging about how your favourite player is mistreated because he's actually stuck in below par performances for about 3 years. "You" have made our silly little community a more argumentative and shit place to post in the entire time that Dzeko has been here and you've created the rods for you own backs in your attitudes to City and its fans.

It's not that I don't like Bosnians, I'm not sure I could even find Bosnia on a map to be honest, it's that I don't like non-City fans who come on here with a single issue and make the place worse for others. If I had my way we would have banned all of these people as WUMs about two years ago, and I don't ban anyone. Be thankful that Ric is a much fairer and straight minded person than I.

Now you complain that a City fan uses the words "us" and "we", something that every City fan and indeed every football fan has done for the past 100 years without a problem. You see, we argue all the time here. There's a couple of posters that wound me up so much that I wanted to bleeding throttle them and I'm sure many can say the same about me. There was however an understanding that whilst we wound each other up, it was both because we passionately believed that whatever we were saying was the correct course of action for City, the club that we both love. We both wanted what is best for City and we often disagree on what that is.

"You" don't however. You want what is best for Edin Dzeko which does not always correspond to what is best for Manchester City. Considering that you're on a City site and not a Dzeko site, this is why there is friction. If the decision for you was for Dzeko to score 5 goals in a CL Final and lose 6-5 or be dropped completely and win 5-0, we think you'd choose the former which is why people aren't very welcoming. You don't want the same thing as us, our goals might align at times but it's never good enough unless Dzeko plays every game, and the team gets built around him, and everybody gives him the ball on every occasion, and eve then it's not his fault if he doesn't perform. Most of you go to other sites and ruthlessly slag off City and City fans. In this thread one of you is making false claims that City fans booed one of their own players, which if you didn't know is one of those things that's a wee bit insulting for some who take that type of thing seriously.

Summer will come and almost all of you will drop off posting. A year after that, when we're still singing his name as one of the heroes of modern City, you'll be on some other club's fansite using the same tired arguments you've used here for years and having a whole different set of fans find you as annoying as we do.

Brilliant post and sums it all up for me.

 

[Anonymous]

So stop posting youtube videos of dzeko scoring for bosnia, Wolfsburg or that Czech team he played for before joining Wolfsburg as if they prove that we're all wrong and he doesn't get enough game time, they don't. nobody really gives a shit.

The only reason i have posted THIS goal. Because you have said that Negredo is capable of brilliant goals like vs Bayern . This Dzekos goal is SIMILAR to that Aguero goal. I personally may think that Dzeko had scored more classy goals than Negredo in theirs career. But I can agree it is completely irrelevant for this conversation.
You have said "I really don't see Pellegrini as somebody stupid enough to jeopardise his own job by not picking what he sees as his strongest team". I dont agree.Why?? Well because he is not jeopardise anything really except Dzekos career. Why ?? well because Negredo is not worse player than Dzeko. He is not also much better if he is under similar circumstences. By playing Negredo in all big games and most PL games. Negredo will as any player who plays alot would gain consistency and will be even better than Dzeko in his further games. So he is not risking anything, personally.
As for Dzeko have chances against Leicester and others. In some of this games he was briliant. But Dzeko playing with Garcia and Negredo playing with Silva, Nasri and Yaya all the time. What do you think. Which one have easier job of scoring ??

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

There is a "we" on this site and there is a "you".

Well, I am not 'YOU' as in Dzeko fanboys, as you sometimes call them. I could not care less about Dzeko, f--k him. And I understand your point, you are a sensible guy, with vested powers of a moderator :-), and thanks for taking your time to elaborate. If I were you, I would have closed this thread long time ago, since it's no longer about Dzeko anyway. But Puppet goes beyond pure hatred, it's pathological obsession, hence my interest in this topic - that's why I am saying there is help for people like him. And I suppose he is of age, a big boy already, and can stand up for himself.

I haven't criticised Edin since the Palace game, goodbye you moron :)