Baka Sliskovic said:
Matty said:
Everyone is eltitled to their own opinion. That doesn't mean that everyone's opinion is correct, or that it should be respected.
When someone uses phrases like "Negredo will never be fast player with great workrate" when Negredo is both fast AND has great workrate, or when they say things like "Put him in Tottenham team. He would not be much better than Soldado was/is" when Spurs were clearly crying out for a Negredo style player when AVB was playing Soldado up top on his own (and asking him to do all the things that come naturally to Negredo) then I have to conclude that everything thay say about this matter is wrong, and that they don't really understand what they're talking about.
There are some "things" which I just can not agree with.
Baka Sliskovic said:
1) In first 5 games Negredos workrate was briliant. He even closed/was chasing 4 out of 5 defenders. His workrate in last 5 games was much worse. He did not run as much, he was preserving his energy. He was chasing/closing down 1 out of 5 defenders. If anyone try to forget on his briliant workrate of first games, and actually try to concentrate in his last games would see the diference. ( he does not run that much ).
If, and I'm not convinced it has, Negredo's workrate has dropped off in his last 5 games, might I suggest it's due to us playing 10 game sin the last month, as opposed to 10 games being 2.5 months worth of football as is the norm. Potentially the drop in workrate isn't due to Negredo not beign a player who puts in the effort, but is more due to the short recovery time between games?
Baka Sliskovic said:
2) Negredo is not fast player. He is heavy striker. He will never be fast as for example are: Aguero, Suarez, Sturridge, anywhere near that. He is more similar to Dzeko. They have occasional speed bursts. I have seen a lot of chances this year where Narsi, Navas, Silva was up front and waiting Dzeko AND/OR Negredo to come to the box. Especialy when they have to run from defending a corner to opposite side box. Aguero was up there with SIlva, Nasri and Navas waiting for Dzeko,Negredo.
Just because Negredo isn't as fast as Aguero doesn't mean he's not fast himself. You are wrong when you say he isn't quick, in fact I've been surprised at quite how quick Negredo actually is. I don't really understand the term "heavy striker".
Baka Sliskovic said:
3) As for Tottenham it is true. Soldado with Silva and Navas support would probably score more goals. Negredo without SIlva and Navas would score far less in this team.
Yes, that's true. However it's also not even remotely what you previously said. You said if we put Negredo in the Spurs team he'd perform as badly as Soldado was/is doing. That's simply not true. AVB played a lone striker system and asked the striker to lead the line, hold up the ball, link play, etc. Negredo does ALL of these things better than Soldado does and as such your assertion is demonstratively wrong.
Baka Sliskovic said:
4) You have also said something like Dzeko had 10 starts, Negredo 9 Away. It is not true.
PL AWAY GAMES ( Dzeko 5 starts , 411 min. 2 goals; Negredo 7 starts . 555 min, 1 goal ). HOME + AWAY PL GAMES Negredo had played 450 PL min +. And will play much more in second part of the season. Dzeko with that extra 450 min would score somethinig similar to that Negredos extra 4 PL goals. And would contributed in other ways of course. I agree football is not just about scoring, even beeing a striker. Two ( Newcastle, Blackburn ) out of three Negredos away goals were assisted by Dzeko. So Dzeko does not ONLY score goals, does he.
No, it IS TRUE. The reason it IS TRUE is simple, I looked it up. Your insistance on just considering league games is the issue here. I said Dzeko had started 10 away games, Negredo had started 9 away games, that is a fact. At no point did I say I was limiting my stats to league games, why would I? Do cup games not count? Your assertion that Dzeko would score 4 more goals if he'd been given the extra pitch time is pure speculation
Baka Sliskovic said:
5) I just think you dont see Dzeko as great player just a solid one. Which is a normal thing. Every person have theirs preferenced players. Some like tall strikers, some smaller but quicker. But on other hand. You seems to glorify everything manager does ( ok not everything but 95% ) and think Negredo is better player than he really is. Why was Bayern for instance going for Dzeko and not Negredo ? Why Barcelona, Real M. or Atletico M. were not going for Negredo. Believe me if he would be striker without almost any flaws like Suarez, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Cavani, Falcao, Lewandowski and others are. They would bought him long time ago. Like they are going after all this mentioned players. So I ask you. What do you think what are flaws in Negredos games that he was not bought by this clubs. Or why he did not succeed at Real M. Almost every player have his flaws. But on this forum it seems like Negredo is without one.
You're right, I do think Dzeko is ok, but not great, and I'm not alone in that assessment. My opinions on Pellegrini aren't really relevant here, but I'd challenge you to find too many posts where I've been enthusing about him. I like his style of play (more so than I did Mancini's) and think he's making more good decisions than bad, but he's still made errors in his time at City. Negredo is a better player than I thought he was going to be, and with 15 goals by early January in his debut season I don't think I'm overrating him at all. No-one is saying Negredo is on a par with Cavani, Ibrahimovic or Falcao, but neither is Dzeko. Negredo cost us just shy of £20m, Cavani went to PSG for over twice that. Value for money wise I think we got the better deal. As for why othe clubs didn't want him, well Barca went for Neymar, and Real spent £100m on Bale, they had their targets. Atletico Madrid probably didn't have the money, they are more a selling club than buying, and could get Villa for far cheaper. Bayern probably wanted Dzeko as he has Bundesliga experience, and they hope they can make him the striker he was 3 years ago, not the striker he is now. Asking why Negredo didn't suceed at Real Madrid is harsh in the extreme, he was much younger, he developed later in life as a top striker, and he was competing against the best players money can buy. Real aren't Barca, they don't really bring too many youth products through, they spend £80m on Ronaldo, or £100m on Bale instead. Of course Negredo has flaws, they just aren't as many, or as detrimental to his contribution to City as Dzeko's are. Negredo's right foot isn't brilliant for example. However, when measured up against Dzeko then Negredo has far more going for him.
Baka Sliskovic said:
As for Dzeko beeing booed or not, I could not care less. People are running off real issues just to write about not important booing. He is professional footballer and he should deal with it. I think he is much much more hurt because of his status in this team. Of course IF he was booed he can tell fans to shut up. But his main frustration is for not playing enough. He would not lose any sleep for being booed. Maybe he will react more angry to it. So he can throw his main frustration ( not playing ) out of himself.
I agree, the booing (or, more accurately, the lack thereof) is not really relevant here. I'm sure Dzeko is frustrated, and annoyed, about his limited gametime, but ultimately there's only one person who can do anything abotu that, and it's Edin himself. He has it within him to demonstrate to Pellegrini that he deserves more gametime, and as a City fan I'd be delighted if he stepped up, played great football and forced Pellegrini to start him more often, a striker playing very well for City can only be beneficial for us and our chances of winning. The fact it's now January and he finds himself as the 3rd striker and not getting the time on the pitch he craves is down to his poor displays and nothing else. Pellegrini is a football manager, why would he decide to simply leave a player out with no reason? He selects the team he feels gives us the best chance to win and, more often than not, that team doesn't include Dzeko. You'll find the vast majority of City fans are in agreement.