Elano

[ElanJo]

I have to say that I am amazed at how much people seem to willfully ignore when it comes to Elano.

He's had about 4 or 5 good games since December 2007. If you look at a player and he only played well for a couple of months, when he 1st arrives and no-one knows of him, and then is relatively crap for the following 9-12 months what are the chances that it was the 1st couple of months that flattered the player and the following 9-12 months that showed the true ability of the player(in this league atleast)?

If he was a scouser he would have had people on his back ages ago.

He is a good player, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he is that suited to the Premiership.

And please stop going on about Vass(unless you want Elano on the right wing). It is SWP that has taken over from Elano because with Elano in the centre we are too static and energy-less , which leaves our defense exposed too much away from home, and against good teams.

 

[bert38]

Elano was playing well until the Middlesbro/Bolton away games. His fitness has improved significantly from last year demonstrating his willingness to work hard. You are right that we need SWP's energy in the current system we play. That doesn't mean to say that Elano isn't suited to the Premier League whatever that means. He is a very talented player and we should keep him.

 

[Anonymous]

I have to say that I am amazed at how much people seem to willfully ignore when it comes to Elano.

He's had about 4 or 5 good games since December 2007. If you look at a player and he only played well for a couple of months, when he 1st arrives and no-one knows of him, and then is relatively crap for the following 9-12 months what are the chances that it was the 1st couple of months that flattered the player and the following 9-12 months that showed the true ability of the player(in this league atleast)?

If he was a scouser he would have had people on his back ages ago.

He is a good player, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he is that suited to the Premiership.

And please stop going on about Vass(unless you want Elano on the right wing). It is SWP that has taken over from Elano because with Elano in the centre we are too static and energy-less , which leaves our defense exposed too much away from home, and against good teams.

So did he get his 10 goals and 10 assists as well as being involved in 38% of our goals (the 3rd most in the league) in a few games since December 2007? He also has 4 goals and 4 assists already this season.

Vassell IS taking Elano's posistion because SWP is a right winger and should not be playing centre mid.

 

[Matty]

Elano sitting on the bench might be easier to take if Vassell wasn't in the starting lineup. You can't knock Vass for his effort, but he's a shorter, blacker version of Darren Huckerby, and I wouldn't pick him ahead of Elano either!

But don't you get it? SWP has taken Elano's place not Vassell, you must be imagining that Vassell is playing and Elano isn't.

I agree with your point, if for example we had a quality right winger in the side and so SWP was free to play where he is now then I wouldn't have any problems with Elano being on the bench. As it is we have Vass on the wing and that is stupid.

Can't we play SWP on the right which, after all, is his best and natural position in my mind? That way the middle would be free for Elano to play there, with Vassell on the bench. I just don't see what Vassell gives us out wide, he's got pace, but can't cross the ball and seems to never actually have the ball under control. I'd much rather have SWP out there and Elano in the middle than Vassell on the right and SWP in the middle.

 

[Anonymous]

So Fabregas and Gerrard who many believe to be the best midfielders in the world are either side of Elano for the passing stats. You say inconsistent, i say a playmaker who i don't expect to keep the ball every time, we have Kompany for that.

Do you think Elano was an inconsistent performer over the course of last season?

When Darius Vassel is playing instead of you then you have a god given right to be playing. Elano isn't thick, if we had Alonso or even Arteta playing instead of him then Elano would know he would have to work hard to get in the side but when you have someone like Vassell playing instead of you then you do wonder what the fuck is going on and if you want to ask the manager about it and he refuses to speak to you then you can understand why he went to the press.

There was never this uproar when Sven dropped Elano...but I digress. A couple of points on the above - I can concede it must be incredibly frustrating for Elano, but he's a proper sulky bastard. He would NEVER get away with shit like that in a top four club. It's the nature of football that supporters argue the toss of team selection, in my experience, it's dangerous for team spirit when players start going to the press...now, on the subject of Hughes refusing to speak to Elano. That's just garbage my friend. Very few top class managers give explanations to every player they drop. They just fucking don't do it. If a player has a problem, he goes and knocks on the manager's door. Which is exactly what Elano should have done...

Why is that? Gareth Barry is a top player and important to his side, you won't see Milan, Madrid or Barca coming in for him will you?

Liverpool are one of the best teams in Europe and were bidding upwards of 15 million for Barry last summer. IMO, nobody will pay over 10 million for Elano. Not that you can judge much by a price tag, I must admit. But you see my point.

There seems to be a huge misconception that I think Elano is shit when that is patently not the case. Over-rated, yes. Inconsistent, yes. But not shit - not by a long stretch. Is he a better footballer than Vassel, undoubtedly yes. Does he work harder than Vassel - no. Is he more mobile than Vassel, no. I think we have in Robinho, SWP, and Ireland, three of the best attacking players in the premiership. I have no problem with Elano playing second fiddle to them (which is actually what he's doing).

I am not the kind of person who is on here every other week going "ooh, I have a mate, who's mate is the gardener at Carrington and I have insider knowledge". Normally if I say I know something, it turns out to be true. I'm telling you that he is becoming a bad influence in the dressing room. He has a real attitude problem for some reason. It may well stem from him not being played, but the reality is that he is not doing what footballers should do when they get dropped ie. working hard in training and taking their chances on the pitch.

He made the ultimately stupid decision to try and destabilize the manager the week he was going to see the owners. This didn't go down too well with not only the management, but a raft of first team players.

 

[ElanJo]

I have to say that I am amazed at how much people seem to willfully ignore when it comes to Elano.

He's had about 4 or 5 good games since December 2007. If you look at a player and he only played well for a couple of months, when he 1st arrives and no-one knows of him, and then is relatively crap for the following 9-12 months what are the chances that it was the 1st couple of months that flattered the player and the following 9-12 months that showed the true ability of the player(in this league atleast)?

If he was a scouser he would have had people on his back ages ago.

He is a good player, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he is that suited to the Premiership.

And please stop going on about Vass(unless you want Elano on the right wing). It is SWP that has taken over from Elano because with Elano in the centre we are too static and energy-less , which leaves our defense exposed too much away from home, and against good teams.

So did he get his 10 goals and 10 assists as well as being involved in 38% of our goals (the 3rd most in the league) in a few games since December 2007? He also has 4 goals and 4 assists already this season.

Vassell IS taking Elano's posistion because SWP is a right winger and should not be playing centre mid.

Erm, I predict he got a bunch of them before Dec 07. Of course he got a few pens and assists here and there afterwards.... and we only managed 40 odd goals last season (we already have 30+ this season) so 38% doesnt sound as good as you are making out.

The fact is Vass isn't taking SWP's position. Do you really think Hughes thinks Vass is a better winger than SWP??? SWP is in the centre for the good of the team as a whole.

Like I said, Elano is a good player, but unless you want him on the right wing, there is no place for him in the starting 11 at the moment..... atleast not against teams better than Stoke etc, at home.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Can't we play SWP on the right which, after all, is his best and natural position in my mind? That way the middle would be free for Elano to play there, with Vassell on the bench. I just don't see what Vassell gives us out wide, he's got pace, but can't cross the ball and seems to never actually have the ball under control. I'd much rather have SWP out there and Elano in the middle than Vassell on the right and SWP in the middle.

Nothing gets past you, Matty.

Can we please stop this bullshit that SWP has taken Elano's place. SWP is being played out of position to accommodate Vass. Whatever way you look at it Vass is on the pitch and Elano is on the bench and that is plain crazy!

 

[ElanJo]

Can't we play SWP on the right which, after all, is his best and natural position in my mind? That way the middle would be free for Elano to play there, with Vassell on the bench. I just don't see what Vassell gives us out wide, he's got pace, but can't cross the ball and seems to never actually have the ball under control. I'd much rather have SWP out there and Elano in the middle than Vassell on the right and SWP in the middle.

Nothing gets past you, Matty.

Can we please stop this bullshit that SWP has taken Elano's place. SWP is being played out of position to accommodate Vass. Whatever way you look at it Vass is on the pitch and Elano is on the bench and that is plain crazy!

laughable. Why do I get the sense you are part of the Hughes Out crowd?

 

[forevermancity]

elano>swp

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

SWP is being played out of position to accommodate Vass.

No, SWP is being played where he is for the good of the team as a unit ! NOT to accomodate Vass. You have a stronger argument that I would agree with if you argue for Elano to replace Vass in the RW position than you do wanting Elano to fulfill the role that SWP is presently doing IMO. I do think however that if/when we sign Diarra then he will be filling that central role and SWP will be back out on the right, if thats the case who do you want dropping for Elano in that situation ?