You're not wrong. But in a car transmission between the engine and the wheels in a 4 wheel drive car the losses can be as high as 15%. So its probably a fair comparison all other things being equal.Don't for get to factor in 7-10% transmission line/distribution network losses for the National Grid
Honest John is ok. Best thing to do is go on one of the VW Audi forums if you are after a T-Roc and ask other owners what they think. If it was me I would stick to either the diesels or the 1.5 TSI petrol engine rather than the 1.0ltr petrol engine.Hey all - I posted a question over cars a while back but would take some rummaging to dig out :(
I had a promotion last week at work (part of my plan to rebuild post separation etc).
Means I can probably stick some money towards car, but without savings it will have to be lease.
Work do an Electric Car scheme with Octopus (and many have taken up that offer) but still on the fence with electric.
Main reason is I'm currently renting a flat - looking to buy but that too would likely be a flat which means limited access to a charger.
The ex had the family car but ran that into the ground and I had the little Toyota which I only used to pop and see the kids as they moved 3 miles away. So she's now taken that back (although her new fella has decent Mercedes....whilst I'm left with nothing (she does need it more than me, so not worth the hassle of an argument over).
I have amazing public transport on my doorstep but I'll admit defeat and can no longer manage without a car (mainly seeing the kids on tap, weekends away, seeing family etc).
Nice for the kids to have a decent motor to be moved around (mainly my 12 year old boy tbf).
So this is very much a decision from heart and mind.
Really like the VW T-Roc (and have looked at the electric equivalent) so I'm at the stage where I need to work out the finances then move fairly quickly (had to cancel a Cornwall holiday as I had no realistic option for a holiday with the kids without a car - looking to rebook later in the year).
Thoughts? And does anyone use a car forum which may have more input from a wider group of car knowledge - Honest John still a good shout?
Thanks!
Good shout mate.Honest John is ok. Best thing to do is go on one of the VW Audi forums if you are after a T-Roc and ask other owners what they think. If it was me I would stick to either the diesels or the 1.5 TSI petrol engine rather than the 1.0ltr petrol engine.
They are currently just not as good or as practical as an internal combustion engine. There isn't a ev can that can realistically do over 400miles on a charge in real life conditions. Most cant do anywhere near 300. A friend of ours has a £90k audi electric e tron q4. It does significantly less than 175miles. My 10yr old Audi A6 does over 600 on a single tank at over 54mpg. It takes 5mins to fill. It's done over 150k mls doesnt depreciate really and is therefore massively cheaper to run than any ev car and much more convenient. Until ev cars can get near those stats they will always be second best in most people's eyes as they don't suit the majority of car users lifestyles and budgets. If and when they get there I will buy one.I still haven’t got my head around the anti EV types. It’s a car, you press a pedal to go, a pedal to stop and it has this round thing that makes it change direction.
Will they work for everyone? No because not everyone can charge at home. Do they work out cheaper for everyone, no because private sales are currently quite expensive so unless you can get a car through work the initial out lay is huge. But for some it does work.
I’m just over two weeks in to my journey with an EV (thanks for the 18 month wait VW!), and so far can’t fault it as a car but I also couldn’t fault the petrol car that went before it. But for me it’s a company car so BiK tax is a huge amount less, as I can charge at home the cost of personal journeys is much less and with the 9p a mile back for work journeys I should be up vs what it actually costs me to charge. A bit of man maths and I estimate I’ll be £3.5k (ish) a year better off.
Does it help the environment - well nothing is coming out of the back of it so guess that helps but I’m sure there is plenty of damage still done whilst the parts are sourced and built.
First thing my father in law said - the range doesn’t cover your journeys for work, and he is correct but I have chargers at every location I visit or close by and having racked up 1500 miles in two weeks at no point have I been worried about running out of electric. And for the general running around town etc well more than enough. The inconvenience of the occasional still, charge and have a brew isn’t the end of the world.
Depends how many miles you really need to do in a day. Mine is also an Audi and does about 260 on a charge, manufacturers say 303 but I think you would need to drive it like miss Daisy to achieve that. Only had it for a few weeks and I like it, but I do only go into the office 2 days a week so im not a high mileage person these days. Whether I would have bought or leased one without my employer giving me a good car allowance and a relatively cheap lease deal, I dont know, I would probably have waited longer.They are currently just not as good or as practical as an internal combustion engine. There isn't a ev can that can realistically do over 400miles on a charge in real life conditions. Most cant do anywhere near 300. A friend of ours has a £90k audi electric q5. It does significantly less than 175miles. My 10yr old Audi A6 does over 600 on a single tank at over 54mpg. It takes 5mins to fill. It's done over 150k mls doesnt depreciate really and is therefore massively cheaper to run than any ev car and much more convenient. Until ev cars can get near those stats they will always be second best in most people's eyes as they don't suit the majority of car users lifestyles and budgets. If and when they get there I will buy one.
The small engine models are 3 cylinder so you have to give them a few beans to get the to go, whereas the 1.5 TSI is 4 cylinder so produces more torque.Good shout mate.
I'm not dead set on the T Roc but I think you have to use a bit of your heart in this and balance that (how does the car make you feel) with pragmatism.
The Kia's & Hyundai's look decent too....but this swings my head and our previous VW was a solid work horse (till the ex ran it into the ground). Think she snapped the key off iinside the lock in the end and ended up scrapping on that basis (or sold it on....guess Ill never know!).
Any reason for not looking at the 1.0l petrol?
I drive a hybrid, much prefer the silent drive when it’s in electric mode. In fact there’s always a slight pang of disappointment, when the electric runs out and I’m reminded by the noise of the engine.Depends how many miles you really need to do in a day. Mine is also an Audi and does about 260 on a charge, manufacturers say 303 but I think you would need to drive it like miss Daisy to achieve that. Only had it for a few weeks and I like it, but I do only go into the office 2 days a week so im not a high mileage person these days. Whether I would have bought or leased one without my employer giving me a good car allowance and a relatively cheap lease deal, I dont know, I would probably have waited longer.
We do still have a petrol car (my old car) which my wife runs and whilst I do prefer the noise it makes, its no where near as responsive or as quick.
My mate has one and loves it, he charges it overnight, he's then good for about 300. Like he said to me, how many people and how often do people drive more than 300 in an average day ?They are currently just not as good or as practical as an internal combustion engine. There isn't a ev can that can realistically do over 400miles on a charge in real life conditions. Most cant do anywhere near 300. A friend of ours has a £90k audi electric q5. It does significantly less than 175miles. My 10yr old Audi A6 does over 600 on a single tank at over 54mpg. It takes 5mins to fill. It's done over 150k mls doesnt depreciate really and is therefore massively cheaper to run than any ev car and much more convenient. Until ev cars can get near those stats they will always be second best in most people's eyes as they don't suit the majority of car users lifestyles and budgets. If and when they get there I will buy one.
Is that a reason why rotary engines in road vehicles was never adopted?It doesn't - a petrol engine has a thermal efficiency (energy out vs energy in) of 20-30%, a diesel engine is around 30-40%. A typical combined cycle gas turbine power station (which is the main fossil fuel generation in the UK) is around 50-60%.