Electric cars

[fulabeer]

As a potential EV owner in the next couple of years, I am curious to know your sources on this info.

CATL are just one maker. I use mainly Youtube for the latest updates.
These figures are not vapourware. Solid state batteries are much safer as well, as they don't suffer the runaway effect of Lion batteries if damaged.

 

[fulabeer]

I have never researched the EV market so this may appear a really strange question to some. Is there a hybrid model available that when the battery is low the vehicle mode can be changed to petrol and some sort of dynamo mechanism kicks in and recharges the battery on the hoof so to speak.

Yes. That is the best compromise at the moment. Plenty of choices too. The only downside is you have two power systems to go wrong.

 

[Elbow beards]

Need a new car thinking of getting electric Peugeot 208 will be mainly for milling about, roughly 10 miles a day maybe the odd 150 mile journey once a year. Thoughts?

 

[crooky]

They don't have to charge as fast. Because most charge at home overnight.
Next year some cars will be able to do 600 miles. Nobody normally drives 600 miles a day.
Imagine your petrol car has a full tank each morning without going to a fuel station at all. And for £10-£12!
Apart from some Tesla chargers, all chargers can be used by any EV. Eventually all Tesla chargers will be open to all cars.

I agree you have to think differently. But they have benefits that ICE cars cannot match.
It is only when you own one that you see the propaganda against them. I would say that not all EV's are great though.
The better ones are amazing. But as ever, the price then goes up and EV's are only just starting to hold their used prices.

Instant throttle response shames any ICE car. Turbo lag and gear changes are a thing of the past. Leaving expensive ICE cars for dead is also somewhat fun. Smooth and seamless (savage) acceleration without a fuss is addictive. All while not worrying about something going bang.

Servicing costs on an ICE car are out of control. The emission stuff on them kills them. Regular serving makes not difference if part of the exhaust gas has to pass back through the air intake, clogging it up. Timing chains can mean an engine out job. DPF's/injectors give no end of trouble. Been there done that etc.

EV's are not for everyone, i get that. But they are not what is portrayed in the press and social media.
Some people have agendas and interests for them not to be adopted.
If you get a bad one or there aren't many chargers, or you cannot home charge. Then i get why people don't want one. But like them or not, they are the future of motoring.

"They don't have to charge as fast. Because most charge at home overnight."

The reason for this is because people are only likely to consider an EV if they have a house in the first place.

If you don't have a house to charge at though the disadvantages of owning an EV outweigh the positives. So you shouldn't be looking at the statistic of seeing what the percentage of EV owners who charge at home is currently. But you need to look at things at a larger scale.

The real statistic that needs to be known is how many car owners (petrol, electric etc) have a house that would enable them to charge their EVs in the future.

There's going to be an awful lot of people who can't do this and for that reason EVs are unsuitable as one solution for all that they are trying to force. This is the reason people are anti EV. Because for a good amount of people, millions of people it will be an expensive downgrade on their current cars.

What you see as propaganda is likely reasonable kick back from the large group of the population that will be negatively affected by the enforcement of EVs.

 

[East Level 2]

"They don't have to charge as fast. Because most charge at home overnight."

The reason for this is because people are only likely to consider an EV if they have a house in the first place.

If you don't have a house to charge at though the disadvantages of owning an EV outweigh the positives. So you shouldn't be looking at the statistic of seeing what the percentage of EV owners who charge at home is currently. But you need to look at things at a larger scale.

The real statistic that needs to be known is how many car owners (petrol, electric etc) have a house that would enable them to charge their EVs in the future.

There's going to be an awful lot of people who can't do this and for that reason EVs are unsuitable as one solution for all that they are trying to force. This is the reason people are anti EV. Because for a good amount of people, millions of people it will be an expensive downgrade on their current cars.

What you see as propaganda is likely reasonable kick back from the large group of the population that will be negatively affected by the enforcement of EVs.

The only way round the problem is the introduction of cheap high speed public chargers. The few p per mile home chargers are ideal, but public chargers are often slow and using them costs more per mile than many modern economical cars.
For example; my Hyundai Ionic hybrid averages 60 mpg so costs about 10-11 p per mile in petrol. Similar size EVs do around 4 miles per KW and most public chargers are slow and cost far more than 40-45 p per KW.
Obviously there may be a saving in service charges, but depreciation tends to be high on EVs, and some reports suggest tyre wear is significantly higher due to battery weight.

 

[MikeF]

Need a new car thinking of getting electric Peugeot 208 will be mainly for milling about, roughly 10 miles a day maybe the odd 150 mile journey once a year. Thoughts?

You need to get out more.

Sorry, couldn’t resist!

 

[crublue1]

You need to get out more.

Sorry, couldn’t resist!

Ha ha that made me laugh.
Top work.

 

[Blue Maverick]

"They don't have to charge as fast. Because most charge at home overnight."

The reason for this is because people are only likely to consider an EV if they have a house in the first place.

If you don't have a house to charge at though the disadvantages of owning an EV outweigh the positives. So you shouldn't be looking at the statistic of seeing what the percentage of EV owners who charge at home is currently. But you need to look at things at a larger scale.

The real statistic that needs to be known is how many car owners (petrol, electric etc) have a house that would enable them to charge their EVs in the future.

There's going to be an awful lot of people who can't do this and for that reason EVs are unsuitable as one solution for all that they are trying to force. This is the reason people are anti EV. Because for a good amount of people, millions of people it will be an expensive downgrade on their current cars.

What you see as propaganda is likely reasonable kick back from the large group of the population that will be negatively affected by the enforcement of EVs.

The hybrid should be pushed more imho, it’s the best of both worlds, if you want to cut emissions around towns for pollution etc then make them that the petrol/diesel doesn’t kick in until you done 50 miles, not related to acceleration put actual distance, most people are just running round town school run etc, how many of us travel to and from London everyday? Have a look at the amount of terrace housing in the NW you simply cannot charge at home, Christ you can’t even guarantee parking outside your own house, although that could be solved with one space residential parking, have two cars tough shit, rotate them if needs be you’ll have to park elsewhere.
My wife wants another car and the fucker is parked on the drive most of the week she’d be better off getting an EV charge at home probably only need to do that twice a month, but she knows better! So I’ve said buy what you want, finance it, take it to the garage when it goes wrong and pay to fix it I want nowt to do with it once I’ve got my van.

 

[Centurions]

I have never researched the EV market so this may appear a really strange question to some. Is there a hybrid model available that when the battery is low the vehicle mode can be changed to petrol and some sort of dynamo mechanism kicks in and recharges the battery on the hoof so to speak.

Lots, the Honda Jazz comes to mind. The manufacturers have made things confusing as there's hybrids and then there's hybrids. Mine is a Suzuki Ignis which is a "soft hybrid" where the battery is used purely to assist the petrol engine when accelerating and charges itself when slowing down and braking with no option to plug in to a power outlet.

You're talking about a full hybrid like the Jazz or various Hyundai and Kia models (I think) etc that can use the electric power at slow speeds and around town but will automatically kick in the petrol engine when needed (faster speeds or low battery). Some can do more mileage on the battery only but can (or need to) be charged externally.