So apart from the range and their unsuitability for a very large proportion of the population there isn't anything wrong with EVs. Hydrogen will come in and take over no doubt in the next 10 years.Nothing wrong with the cars, other than the range. However many people live in flats or in houses without private parking, and the public charging infrastructure is crap and expensive.
My hybrid averages 60 mpg which currently works out at 10p/mile. A quick Google suggests a typical EV will do 4 miles per kWh but many public chargers are significantly more expensive than 40p/kWh, particularly fast chargers.
There's also the possibility of hydrogen powered cars with ranges in excess of 1,000 miles and quick re-charging on the horizon, however there's only the Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo available in the UK at present (with lower ranges), and there are very few refuelling sites.
And the depreciation!So apart from the range and their unsuitability for a very large proportion of the population there isn't anything wrong with EVs. Hydrogen will come in and take over no doubt in the next 10 years.
You here lots about Hydrogen but I don't see anything to suggest it's going to work.So apart from the range and their unsuitability for a very large proportion of the population there isn't anything wrong with EVs. Hydrogen will come in and take over no doubt in the next 10 years.
This will calm down as prices sort themselves out. In China you can buy a car better than a Tesla for £20k new. Easily half the price of what we can currently get. Once EVs hit that kind of value point the drawbacks will be overlooked.And the depreciation!
That is a long way off imo. They are overpriced and as Rick states they depreciate massively at present. No matter how many advocates there are on here, and no doubt they do suit some people, they are not a popular choice with the public. Forcing people to buy them like the government is doing will lose them votes in three years time. Then when they realise, we will get yet another change of policy, leaving what's left of our car industry in complete disarray.You here lots about Hydrogen but I don't see anything to suggest it's going to work.
This will calm down as prices sort themselves out. In China you can buy a car better than a Tesla for £20k new. Easily half the price of what we can currently get. Once EVs hit that kind of value point the drawbacks will be overlooked.
I meant the cars themselves were generally OK. The range will always be below that of a large diesel and the unsuitability for a large proportion of the population is down to the infrastructure not the car design.So apart from the range and their unsuitability for a very large proportion of the population there isn't anything wrong with EVs. Hydrogen will come in and take over no doubt in the next 10 years.
Fair enough, but I would add that the average EV range is below 90% of ICE cars and given a choice who wants to spend 30mins charging when you can fill up in 5mins. Not many it would seem.I meant the cars themselves were generally OK. The range will always be below that of a large diesel and the unsuitability for a large proportion of the population is down to the infrastructure not the car design.
The infrastructure will take 20 yrs plus at the current rate of investment in the energy infrastructure. New housing estates should be mandated to have 3 phase supplies to the home as standard.I meant the cars themselves were generally OK. The range will always be below that of a large diesel and the unsuitability for a large proportion of the population is down to the infrastructure not the car design.
Hydrogen is dead in the water (pardon the pun)Nothing wrong with the cars, other than the range. However many people live in flats or in houses without private parking, and the public charging infrastructure is crap and expensive.
My hybrid averages 60 mpg which currently works out at 10p/mile. A quick Google suggests a typical EV will do 4 miles per kWh but many public chargers are significantly more expensive than 40p/kWh, particularly fast chargers.
There's also the possibility of hydrogen powered cars with ranges in excess of 1,000 miles and quick re-charging on the horizon, however there's only the Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo available in the UK at present (with lower ranges), and there are very few refuelling sites.
It only feels like an eternity to charge an EV if you're just sitting there watching the meter ticking away. I charge overnight at home and am quite happy for it to take 7 hours and on the rare occasions I need to charge in public I make sure its whilst I'm having a meal break so don't notice that it takes an hour or so.Fair enough, but I would add that the average EV range is below 90% of ICE cars and given a choice who wants to spend 30mins charging when you can fill up in 5mins. Not many it would seem.
depends if you have a decent charge rate - mine will get from 20% to 80% in about 25 minutes - the same time it takes for me to take a piss and grab a coffee - but generally I don't need to go so far as to ever do this, plug in at home in evening and its done by morning ready to go again at 100% (and 330 real world usable range if I wanted it)It only feels like an eternity to charge an EV if you're just sitting there watching the meter ticking away. I charge overnight at home and am quite happy for it to take 7 hours and on the rare occasions I need to charge in public I make sure its whilst I'm having a meal break so don't notice that it takes an hour or so.
5 mins refuels are a myth. Don't take my word for it. Time yourself. Yes, you might be able to do a splash and dash, but not a full tank.Fair enough, but I would add that the average EV range is below 90% of ICE cars and given a choice who wants to spend 30mins charging when you can fill up in 5mins. Not many it would seem.
Thanks for the reply and honest answer.5 mins refuels are a myth. Don't take my word for it. Time yourself. Yes, you might be able to do a splash and dash, but not a full tank.
The reality is the average "dwell" time (on the motorway) for ICE is 15 mins. Arriving/leaving the site.
You arrive and select a pump, assuming one is free you park up. If no pump is free, then you wait.
You then either select pay at the pump, put in your card/pin or pay in the shop. Once the pump activates, you then begin to fuel.
A full tank isn't as quick as you think. Once fuelled, you then return the nozzle and wait for a receipt or go pay at the shop. I would say my average time is around 10 mins. Longer if busy.
However, electric car charging times are also a myth!
They can take way longer than advertised. It all depends on the state of charge before you start and how big the battery is and how fast it can charge. So a EV "may" be able to charge from 10% to 80% in 15 mins, it rarely does so. Typically, i recharge "on the road" when the battery is around 25%. This means the charger never really gets to its peak charge rate. This is because as the battery charges, the charge rate reduces. After 80%, it really slows down.
This is without the lottery of finding a decent fast charger, and one that works.
I've found a 5 hour 300 mile trip can be just as fast as an ICE car. But that is because my fully charged car can do nearly 300 miles. (one toilet stop half way through etc)
Things change when coming home though. If i haven't had chance to fully recharge, then i'm going to have to stop at least once if not twice (20-25 mins each). I've found this can add nearly an hour to my journey which is annoying. My bladder needs a break every two hours or so anyway, so not as bad as that seems.
EV's are still a compromise at the moment, but getting better by the day. 500 to 600 mile EV's this year will make the difference.
Cheers!Thanks for the reply and honest answer.
My EV takes about 20 seconds to refuel
10 seconds to plug it in when I get home and 10 to unplug it.
I have travelled 50K miles over the last 3 years in EV's and I have only ever had to charge away from home about 5 times.
If you have a drive, the means to purchase one and can charge at home for 7p per Kwh they are awesome.
If you don't they suck.
EVs are just much better cars than Non EV's, but depending on your circumstances it either works for you or it doesn't.
C'est tout
5 mins refuels are a myth. Don't take my word for it. Time yourself. Yes, you might be able to do a splash and dash, but not a full tank.
The reality is the average "dwell" time (on the motorway) for ICE is 15 mins. Arriving/leaving the site.
You arrive and select a pump, assuming one is free you park up. If no pump is free, then you wait.
You then either select pay at the pump, put in your card/pin or pay in the shop. Once the pump activates, you then begin to fuel.
A full tank isn't as quick as you think. Once fuelled, you then return the nozzle and wait for a receipt or go pay at the shop. I would say my average time is around 10 mins. Longer if busy.
However, electric car charging times are also a myth!
They can take way longer than advertised. It all depends on the state of charge before you start and how big the battery is and how fast it can charge. So a EV "may" be able to charge from 10% to 80% in 15 mins, it rarely does so. Typically, i recharge "on the road" when the battery is around 25%. This means the charger never really gets to its peak charge rate. This is because as the battery charges, the charge rate reduces. After 80%, it really slows down.
This is without the lottery of finding a decent fast charger, and one that works.
I've found a 5 hour 300 mile trip can be just as fast as an ICE car. But that is because my fully charged car can do nearly 300 miles. (one toilet stop half way through etc)
Things change when coming home though. If i haven't had chance to fully recharge, then i'm going to have to stop at least once if not twice (20-25 mins each). I've found this can add nearly an hour to my journey which is annoying. My bladder needs a break every two hours or so anyway, so not as bad as that seems.
EV's are still a compromise at the moment, but getting better by the day. 500 to 600 mile EV's this year will make the difference.
Its alright having a huge battery but the charging time will go up at least in proportion.EV's are still a compromise at the moment, but getting better by the day. 500 to 600 mile EV's this year will make the difference.
You won the lottery pal?I've got the potential nice option coming up this summer to choose between the following.
Mercedes EQC 400 4Matic
Porsche Macan full electric.
Range Rover Velar Hybrid
Audi Q4 Electron.
It would be my first foray into electric, so only blinded by the badge at present?