Electric cars

bluegray said:
Eventually there will be wireless charging built into parking spots. Think they already have them in the states.
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They work just the same as induction stoves and wireless phone chargers. They are much slower than plugging in though.
 
fulabeer said:
Some of the stuff coming out of China is amazing.
The Chinese are leading the way with EV's. We should all be thankful, as legacy car makers were leaning on their heels. We are getting better/quicker battery tech and EV's directly due to the Chinese.
The Germans are in particular are playing catch up.
The only thing negative with Chinese EV's is the dealer network isn't the best.
If they correct that, then we all benefit.
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Yeah, I was looking at who makes all the batteries, and the market leader is a company in China that was set up less than 15 years ago. Others are BYD, Samsung, LG and Panasonic. Basically entirely China, South Korea and one Japanese company supplying the entire world while Europe and the US sit on their hands. It's the same with all of the other green technologies. Western countries moan about 'bringing back' manufacturing, but do fuck all to get to the forefront of anything that's obviously the future. Unless of course all of the work can be done by five guys in an office.

To be fair, they do make the motors though.
 
Missus has an i3 with those tiny biscuit sized tyres on it. Not only are they a fucking fortune, only Bridgestone and Goodyear make them which means they're even more expensive. Because they're so thin and i assume the cars heavy because of batteries, at the moment we're changing them every MOT!
 
shevtheblue said:
Missus has an i3 with those tiny biscuit sized tyres on it. Not only are they a fucking fortune, only Bridgestone and Goodyear make them which means they're even more expensive. Because they're so thin and i assume the cars heavy because of batteries, at the moment we're changing them every MOT!
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Excessive tyre degradation is an issue with heavier EV's as is brake wear. PM 2.5 and PM 10 (particulate matter) from tyre and brake wear is a significant contributor to air pollution levels.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Excessive tyre degradation is an issue with heavier EV's as is brake wear. PM 2.5 and PM 10 (particulate matter) from tyre and brake wear is a significant contributor to air pollution levels.
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I don't doubt it, the immediate acceleration and power to wheels must cause it. And obviously brake wear is a lot on the regenerative brake versions of these cars as well.
 
shevtheblue said:
I don't doubt it, the immediate acceleration and power to wheels must cause it. And obviously brake wear is a lot on the regenerative brake versions of these cars as well.
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Heavier cornering loads are the main culprit. Most EV's are fitted with tyres designed for lighter saloon cars. Tyre technology (compound materials and bonding agents) hasn't really caught up with the requirements of EV's.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Excessive tyre degradation is an issue with heavier EV's as is brake wear. PM 2.5 and PM 10 (particulate matter) from tyre and brake wear is a significant contributor to air pollution levels.
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What brake wear and where have you read this?
EV's actually hardly use the mechanical brakes. They use regen braking most of the time. This puts energy back into the battery.
Our car has done 17k in 18 months and the brakes are like new.

The tyres have 4mm left. We rotated them front to back before Xmas. This is because ours is only 2 wheel drive.
The torque on offer in EV's is ridiculous, and i just love using it!
 
shevtheblue said:
Missus has an i3 with those tiny biscuit sized tyres on it. Not only are they a fucking fortune, only Bridgestone and Goodyear make them which means they're even more expensive. Because they're so thin and i assume the cars heavy because of batteries, at the moment we're changing them every MOT!
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My mrs has a Mini with the same tiny tyres and she's changed all 4 at least 3 times since she got the car in 2019. It's just the end result of having relatively smaller tyres.

I've had my Tesla since 2022 and I've never had to change the tyres yet and the brakes are barely worn.

This is a fantastic watch.

 
fulabeer said:
What brake wear and where have you read this?
EV's actually hardly use the mechanical brakes. They use regen braking most of the time. This puts energy back into the battery.
Our car has done 17k in 18 months and the brakes are like new.

The tyres have 4mm left. We rotated them front to back before Xmas. This is because ours is only 2 wheel drive.
The torque on offer in EV's is ridiculous, and i just love using it!
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Brake wear is only a small element of it. Those EV's that don't predominately use regenerative braking do have greater brake wear overall. Tyre wear by far are the bigger issue.
 
fulabeer said:
More chargers are great, but lowering the prices is where the direction needs to go.
There are deals/clubs/subscriptions that help. And there are signs of price wars. Maybe EV makers can do deals with these charge companies to help sales. Ie drive a Renault and get x amount off/free charging at x stations. Similar to what Tesla offers.
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That hub is in winchester, went there on the first day it opened and I was the only car, went back last month and it was as you see in the picture
 
inbetween said:
My mrs has a Mini with the same tiny tyres and she's changed all 4 at least 3 times since she got the car in 2019. It's just the end result of having relatively smaller tyres.

I've had my Tesla since 2022 and I've never had to change the tyres yet and the brakes are barely worn.

This is a fantastic watch.

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Dont think they are the same, the i3 ones are just insane: 155/70/R19. The most ridiculous thin tyres you can get imo, but yes you're right.
 
liveandletdive said:
Completely correct, I have a BYD Atto3 and absolutely love it, fully kitted out with every gizmo, it even drives itself, but trying to convince my work colleagues is another matter, they all want BMW i4 M50's 3 times monthly payments for a car not as kitted out as mine. The legacy companies know this, and hence while I feel their a few years behind the Chinese.
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They’re behind them on the built in tech but an i4 is a much nicer car to actually drive. The softwares better in them too.
 
1961_vintage said:
Definitely puts the fun back into driving.
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It does!
The instant throttle response (to use old terminology!) can be both good and bad. No turbo lag or gear changes to get in the way, means it really is instant.
When you really need acceleration, like at a junction. Or to overtake/change lane/move out of the way. It is a real blessing. You are gone before the other guy knows what is happening.

On the other hand, you really have to adapt your driving. I'm very experienced with fast cars. I've had them all my life. But EV's are completely different.
In a normal fast car, you floor it and there is a slight pause. Even in naturally aspirated cars, you have to wait as the revs rise, or shift down. Not in EV's. You floor it, you are instantly shot forwards. Things on the horizon are soon with you. You can get in a lot of trouble really fast.

Part of the reason is because you don't get the aural cues of a revving engine. A screaming engine reminds you that you are travelling fast, and to watch your speed. A silent EV can means you don't always know your speed.
A few EV's now offer fake exhaust sounds and gear change clunks. I know that sounds terrible to the purists. But It really does help give that "thing" EV's have missing.
 
Got an Ioniq 5 just before Xmas, been very impressed and my Octopus deal is just nuts, Up to 2000 miles a month for £20, what’s not to like.
 
We should all be issued with one and be done with it. Worry about the infrastructure afterwards. Just adapt them for charging via a phone charger off a multi point street light.
Might take a year to charge but who cares about that slight inconvenience.
 
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