Elon Musk buys and ruins Twitter

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I take it you've not read up on Tesla & what they have in store for 2025?

CyberCab & Optimus robot will be worth Billions alone in market cap and both will be rolled out next year. They have also basically cracked the code of FSD. Tesla is much more than an automaker and the stock market is finally realising that.

I personally feel that the current stock price of $425 is undervalued when you consider what is in the pipeline. Musk is a clown yes, but when you look at what is coming for Tesla I wouldn't be surprised to see the stock double by this time next year. Happy for you to bookmark this and revisit in a year.

Optimus Robot is currently lots of smoke and mirrors. Human controlled/assisted and still seemed pretty clunky at the event this year.

I think there's a long long way to go on that one. as with most software development, the last 10% is usually 90% of the time.

 

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Optimus Robot is currently lots of smoke and mirrors. Human controlled/assisted and still seemed pretty clunky at the event this year.

I think there's a long long way to go on that one. as with all software development, the last 10% is usually 90% of the time.

really?

 

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really?

Yep. at the CyberCab event they were being human assisted.

Elon Musk's 'one weird trick' to get investors excited about Tesla's Optimus bots

Some were left disappointed by remote-controlled robots at Tesla's "We, Robot" demo

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if you think of it walking is one of the single base things a humanoid robot should do. Boston Dynamics had the same thing nearly a decade ago.

 

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You make some fair and valid points and I’ve always held an admiration for Musk in what he has done with Tesla/Space X etc and is clearly a big drive in innovation for humanity…. BUT I just can’t forgive what he is doing politically, using the biggest social media platform to spread hate and disinformation off the scale - using it as a tool for Trump and Republicans to get into power and now about to do the same in the UK with Reform. It’s Evil shit.

Trump isn't coming to power because of Musk or misinformation specifically. He's coming into power because of a fundamental problem with our politics, economics and political system which they have just taken advantage of. Musk is a greater tool because he controls a platform where people can say literally anything and unfortunately it isn't the platform at fault but rather the humans that use it.

Clearly something else is at play, maybe it's the fact that we now live in a globalist world and people are getting less of the pie which instead is going to the rich? Trump isn't the solution to that by any stretch but he's certainly the only outlet on offer where the public can stick two fingers up to the rest of the political elite.

You only have to look at Kamala Harris' campaign who had such a policy vacuum that she resorted to putting billionaire celebrities on stage to try and sway the stupids. I mean nothing gets the message across on your policy on ending poverty than a few words from Beyonce right? It couldn't be more ironic and it fully sums it up.

 

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Yep. at the CyberCab event they were being human assisted.

Elon Musk's 'one weird trick' to get investors excited about Tesla's Optimus bots

Some were left disappointed by remote-controlled robots at Tesla's "We, Robot" demo

qz.com

if you think of it walking is one of the single base things a humanoid robot should do. Boston Dynamics had the same thing nearly a decade ago.

Yes that's true at the Cybercab event, but two months later there is evidently more progress as shown in that video.

& I understand there is a lot more to it than walking, obviously.

But I think a lot on here are blinkered due to musk being a well known tool. If you put that aside & appreciate the projects they are working on, there is a small fortune to be made if you are into investing.

I may be wasting my time saying that in this thread, though.

 

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Yes that's true at the Cybercab event, but two months later there is evidently more progress as shown in that video.

& I understand there is a lot more to it than walking, obviously.

But I think a lot on here are blinkered due to musk being a well known tool. If you put that aside & appreciate the projects they are working on, there is a small fortune to be made if you are into investing.

I may be wasting my time saying that in this thread, though.

I’m a massive fan of SpaceX so I’m not blinkered to what his businesses can do. I’m just very aware he makes fantastical claims, some work, lots don’t.

The robot having to use smoke and mirrors from day one to even try to compete with competitors says to me what needs to be known about this one.

His dark horse project is the Boring company. Loads of contracts to create maintenance tunnels rather then moving traffic underground like the plan was.

 

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I’m a massive fan of SpaceX so I’m not blinkered to what his businesses can do. I’m just very aware he makes fantastical claims, some work, lots don’t.

That was the point I was getting at. There are a lot of fantastical claims and I think the share value to an extent reflects some elements of the market taking those claims at face value.

I'm thinking of things like the crowd cheering as he showed one of his trucks towing a load that your average pickup in the States could carry.

I've no doubt they will deliver some of the products they announce and there are profits to be made, but I think some are fanciful. To take the taxis as an example. I don't think their self driving tech is truly self driving yet, I think most countries will take years for regulation to catch up anyway and I don't think even when rolled out the ROI will live up to the suggestions in the marketing.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Trump isn't coming to power because of Musk or misinformation specifically. He's coming into power because of a fundamental problem with our politics, economics and political system which they have just taken advantage of. Musk is a greater tool because he controls a platform where people can say literally anything and unfortunately it isn't the platform at fault but rather the humans that use it.

Clearly something else is at play, maybe it's the fact that we now live in a globalist world and people are getting less of the pie which instead is going to the rich? Trump isn't the solution to that by any stretch but he's certainly the only outlet on offer where the public can stick two fingers up to the rest of the political elite.

You only have to look at Kamala Harris' campaign who had such a policy vacuum that she resorted to putting billionaire celebrities on stage to try and sway the stupids. I mean nothing gets the message across on your policy on ending poverty than a few words from Beyonce right? It couldn't be more ironic and it fully sums it up.

Trump IS coming to power via misinformation specifically, which renders the rest of this post largely irrelevant.

If you don’t think this, merely ask his supporters what they believe to be true.

That said, I do love the line about globalism and wealth inequality as if this is a problem that suddenly cropped up in the last decade, lol.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Trump isn't coming to power because of Musk or misinformation specifically. He's coming into power because of a fundamental problem with our politics, economics and political system which they have just taken advantage of. Musk is a greater tool because he controls a platform where people can say literally anything and unfortunately it isn't the platform at fault but rather the humans that use it.

Clearly something else is at play, maybe it's the fact that we now live in a globalist world and people are getting less of the pie which instead is going to the rich? Trump isn't the solution to that by any stretch but he's certainly the only outlet on offer where the public can stick two fingers up to the rest of the political elite.

You only have to look at Kamala Harris' campaign who had such a policy vacuum that she resorted to putting billionaire celebrities on stage to try and sway the stupids. I mean nothing gets the message across on your policy on ending poverty than a few words from Beyonce right? It couldn't be more ironic and it fully sums it up.

I fundamentally believe in the exact opposite of everything you mention.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Trump IS coming to power via misinformation specifically, which renders the rest of this post largely irrelevant.

If you don’t think this, merely ask his supporters what they believe to be true.

That said, I do love the line about globalism and wealth inequality as if this is a problem that suddenly cropped up in the last decade, lol.

It popped up more since 2008. Prior to that asset prices weren't so inflated and even if they were cheap credit or credit that could be renewed were easier to get.

Misinformation isn't he sole reason fof Trump's rise to power. It certainly helped though.

The Democratic party being a basketcase didn't help things. If they had embraced Bernie Sanders during his first or second run then it might have been a different story. Rather than relying on Hilary and Hilary 2.0 and their own cognitively fragile nepotist.