Rammy Blue
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Hahaha, Musk fucking destroyed him, made him look a right ****.
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Hahaha, Musk fucking destroyed him, made him look a right ****.
Did he follow up the tweet with…
‘… except when they report on soccer and they seem to have a hard-on for teams that play in red’
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Weird interview. Early on, Musk asks "Who/what is the arbiter of what is misinformation and what is not?". I'd think that the clear and obvious answer is that there are verifiable, objective truths to things, which are the only way (and the best way) of knowing what is misinformation and what is not, and they do exist. Maybe not for everything, but for most things.
You can cite many examples of misinformation that have been permitted on social media under Musk's apparent interpretation of free speech, to which there are truths and evidence showing them to be bullshit. The link between MMR jabs and autism, for example - we know it was based on false research concocted by a charlatan (Andrew Wakefield was struck off for it), yet I still see people push that narrative on Twitter occasionally. There is no need for an arbiter to decide if that is misinformation - the facts tells us it is.
For the interviewer to stumble on that, so early on, it's no wonder he came out looking second-best here.
You can cite many examples of misinformation that have been permitted on social media under Musk's apparent interpretation of free speech, to which there are truths and evidence showing them to be bullshit. The link between MMR jabs and autism, for example - we know it was based on false research concocted by a charlatan (Andrew Wakefield was struck off for it), yet I still see people push that narrative on Twitter occasionally. There is no need for an arbiter to decide if that is misinformation - the facts tells us it is.
For the interviewer to stumble on that, so early on, it's no wonder he came out looking second-best here.
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The arbiters in other area deal with regulation and law regarding fairness, diligence, accuracy and honesty. You have the courts (applying the laws devised by our elected officials), usually involving juries. And then the other legally appointed bodies. For our journalist sitting there, he should of course realise he is held to be honest, fair and accurate by OFCOM. OFCOM is run on our behalf to maintain standards we have agreed via parliament over the decades. If we disagree or dislike what OFCOM do, we can make an issue out of it politically and politicians get elected or lose their job.
A journalist in their position not knowing this off by heart is (to me) indicative of how far the phenomena of impressionableness affects good willed humans trying to adjust socially.
We are prone to confusion and forgetting very basic tenets of our lives. Post truth is not really a thing, but hearing it makes people a bit empty headed. You could say the conditions for this are our succeptibility to "the effect of the new" / "recency bias". Modern media, social media, confusing cultural dialogue, poor management, cultural ignorance. The crowd effect ensures this is pretty effective in gaslighting people. For people like Trump, Boris and Elon, it's a straight up walkover. They can't believe people are fucking trying to work it out honestly, rather than just challenge them properly with orthodox British / Western representative democratic "doctrine".
Why don't they? Because that doctrine must be outdated! Uhh. How? What were the exact words that changed our culture, our rules, our norms? It's easy to confuse, I guess. I mean, people were really rude and even a bit threatening to the groups who used to wheel these answers out. But that disguises the actual truth. We COULD change it, via parliament and the law. But apart from a new relationship with the EU, we haven't. Sounds like a bigger deal than it ever was, in this respect. The control people talked about, the laws and institutions that frustrate them mostly were our own. Or push come to shove, they will mostly remain in line with what the EU demanded anyway, because that is how the politics in the UK works out.
But because of that massive Brexit moment, all the bluster, somehow, the basics of what is going on and has been going on for decades just vanishes from people's heads. Poof! All gone.
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Mr Kobayashi
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It was arranged at the last minute and he was out of his depth.
A daft interview and he ended up coming out of it like Sweaty Andy.
Would have made much more sense to get Stephen Sackur from Hard Talk to do it.
Did he expose him? Or did he brush aside the fact numerous independent organisations tracking racism and hate speech have shown there’s more racism and hate speech on twitter now because the interviewer couldn’t name a specific example?
Elon switches from arguing we have to allow hate speech because free speech is absolute to insisting there’s no more hate speech than there was when it was moderated which everyone knows is a lie,
The bbc interviewer made a mistake a Elon scored some points, but it doesn’t change the fact there is more hate speech on twitter now that he’s allowing literal nazi’s back on to spread their word.
I don't so much defend Elon as try to prevent people becoming complacent. Twitter is still the big draw in social media and is no closer to folding now than it was 6 months ago. Elon CAN carry on like this, as long as he is permitted. I hate seeing people sitting on their hands and cheering as if it's going to the rafters, when it plainly doesn't work like that. It really is going to get worse, and the effects will be greater. The market will not have the effect you imagine. Ever. Social media does not work like that. It works in exactly the opposite way. Elon knows that. People are in total denial about this stuff. If it upsets and offends you, you have to aim the matter back towards the people you vote for.
What we're seeing now is that now the storm has passed, Elon is getting bolder, and is moving towards using the site as a way of shaping what people see. He will be the new fucking Murdoch in about a decade. If he is allowed to. The complacent arrogance about his 'obvious' imminent failure will ensure it happens. People doing this are the gawping crowd that in fact ensures he doesn't fail, he just gets more users.
In the past two weeks, the situation with NPR and the BBC, insisting on labelling them as "State Affiliated Media", implying they are nothing but government propoganda outfits, has led the former to quit.
Perhaps even more troubling is his anti-competitive, anti-freedom of information and speech actions towards the very decent social publishing site Substack.
Twitter removed all sorts of things in any post with links to Substack accounts - no replies, no retweets. They redirected all searches for the term back towards Twitter. The word cannot appear in your popular feed. I'd be horrified if the EU and UK governments didn't regard this worth investigating for abuse.
Substack sample accounts for anyone interested. You DONT have to subscribe. Just hit no. See what you think. Do it. Do something that Elon actually doesn't want.
Couple of city ones;
3 Worlds / 3 Moons | Substack
THREE WORLDS / THREE MOONS : The Next Great Comics Universe Starts Here. From creators Mike del Mundo, Jonathan Hickman, Mike Huddleston and Nick Spencer. Click to read 3 Worlds / 3 Moons, a Substack publication with tens of thousands of subscribers.3w3m.substack.com
https://totallywired.substack.com/
https://9320.substack.com/
AI Supremacy | Michael Spencer | Substack
News at the intersection of Artificial Intelligence, technology and business including Op-Eds, research summaries, guest contributions and valuable info about A.I. startups. Click to read AI Supremacy, by Michael Spencer, a Substack publication with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.aisupremacy.substack.com
Starship Casual | Jeff Tweedy | Starship Casual | Substack
Jeff Tweedy shares songs, advice, general musings, and whatnot... Click to read Starship Casual, by Jeff Tweedy | Starship Casual, a Substack publication with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.jefftweedy.substack.com
Finally, if anyone was in doubt about Elon's motivation in signing the 'AI Pause' letter, this ought to clear things up.
Elon Musk's AI ambitions for Twitter show that some of the people calling for the tech to 'pause' seem to be acting out of their own self-interest
Elon Musk was one of the most prominent backers of an AI 'pause.' Now, he's moving Twitter to the forefront of AI development.www.businessinsider.com
He's playing catch up, and would try anything to slow down his competitors.
Twitter under Musks ownership is fucked long term. It’s not going to collapse immediately because a new social media platform can’t just be magicked into existence overnight, but it’s in a death spiral.
Financially it’s in massive trouble, despite Musk claiming advertisers had returned, they’re still down 40% on ad revenue compared to this time last year.
Only 280,000 people bought twitter blue. 0.2% of monthly users.
He’s admitted to wiping 25 billion off the value of the company, and that he was forced to go through with the takeover against his will.
He’s claimed they’re back to breaking even, which seems unlikely although there’s now dozens of pending lawsuits for breach of contract from suppliers he’s just refused to pay, and of course breaking even doesn’t cover the $1Bn a year interest on his debts.
There is no malevolent genius at play here. It’s not all part of some grand scheme to dominate the world. The man tried desperately to not go through with this takeover and got forced into it.
FogBlueInSanFran
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IOW, FAAFO.
He has his number before he met him, and was not prepared for an Elton/Carr debate.
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That's an interesting take, Summerbuzz. I suppose it's possible that Musk turns Twitter into some sort of Fox News-like site for the Right.I don't so much defend Elon as try to prevent people becoming complacent. Twitter is still the big draw in social media and is no closer to folding now than it was 6 months ago. Elon CAN carry on like this, as long as he is permitted. I hate seeing people sitting on their hands and cheering as if it's going to the rafters, when it plainly doesn't work like that. It really is going to get worse, and the effects will be greater. The market will not have the effect you imagine. Ever. Social media does not work like that. It works in exactly the opposite way. Elon knows that. People are in total denial about this stuff. If it upsets and offends you, you have to aim the matter back towards the people you vote for.
What we're seeing now is that now the storm has passed, Elon is getting bolder, and is moving towards using the site as a way of shaping what people see. He will be the new fucking Murdoch in about a decade. If he is allowed to. The complacent arrogance about his 'obvious' imminent failure will ensure it happens. People doing this are the gawping crowd that in fact ensures he doesn't fail, he just gets more users.
In the past two weeks, the situation with NPR and the BBC, insisting on labelling them as "State Affiliated Media", implying they are nothing but government propoganda outfits, has led the former to quit.
Perhaps even more troubling is his anti-competitive, anti-freedom of information and speech actions towards the very decent social publishing site Substack.
Twitter removed all sorts of things in any post with links to Substack accounts - no replies, no retweets. They redirected all searches for the term back towards Twitter. The word cannot appear in your popular feed. I'd be horrified if the EU and UK governments didn't regard this worth investigating for abuse.
Substack sample accounts for anyone interested. You DONT have to subscribe. Just hit no. See what you think. Do it. Do something that Elon actually doesn't want.
Couple of city ones;3 Worlds / 3 Moons | Substack
THREE WORLDS / THREE MOONS : The Next Great Comics Universe Starts Here. From creators Mike del Mundo, Jonathan Hickman, Mike Huddleston and Nick Spencer. Click to read 3 Worlds / 3 Moons, a Substack publication with tens of thousands of subscribers.
https://totallywired.substack.com/
https://9320.substack.com/
AI Supremacy | Michael Spencer | Substack
News at the intersection of Artificial Intelligence, technology and business including Op-Eds, research summaries, guest contributions and valuable info about A.I. startups. Click to read AI Supremacy, by Michael Spencer, a Substack publication with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.Starship Casual | Jeff Tweedy | Starship Casual | Substack
Jeff Tweedy shares songs, advice, general musings, and whatnot... Click to read Starship Casual, by Jeff Tweedy | Starship Casual, a Substack publication with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
Finally, if anyone was in doubt about Elon's motivation in signing the 'AI Pause' letter, this ought to clear things up.
Elon Musk's AI ambitions for Twitter show that some of the people calling for the tech to 'pause' seem to be acting out of their own self-interest
Elon Musk was one of the most prominent backers of an AI 'pause.' Now, he's moving Twitter to the forefront of AI development.
He's playing catch up, and would try anything to slow down his competitors.
Still - as a commercial enterprise - Musk does seem to be hellbent on driving potential advertisers away, meanwhile alienating many of its users. Musk can probably do whatever he wants; fund the site with his billions and become Fox News by hook or crook. With virtually every move Musk makes though it seems increasingly unlikely that Twitter will succeed as a commercial venture.
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The current state of Twitter Titter:
www.vox.com
Is Twitter finally dying?
After an extraordinarily chaotic past few weeks, the slow death of Twitter seems to be speeding up.
www.vox.com
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The “for you” bit of it is pretty much unusable now. It’s the complete opposite of what I’d consider for me.
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Same, it’s basically clickbait headlines to wind you up
He exposed the propaganda that bbc indulges in regularly, if bbc has a problem with how the interview went they should come out and publish what their reporter could not answer. Knowing bbc though, just a tool, not expecting it to happen.
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Missing the point. They could put up an article with dozens examples but it doesn't beat the "you can't name a single example" debating society points win that Mollusc got because they would have spent hours researching them.
It’s not really surprising a technology reporter isn't as polished at adversarial style interviews as e.g., a political journalist.
Well then bbc not only indulges in propaganda but employs highly incompetent staff who would raise issues they have no way to substantiate.
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He could substantiate it, he cited secondary sources and it was glossed over.
His key competency isn't adversarial interviews so it doesn't make him incompetent that he didn't fool anyone that he is good as his colleagues in other departments.
I don't think you even know what the word propaganda means.
This is a highly-political subject and an interview with an extremely powerful person who is adversarial by nature. The BBC should absolutely have known what to expect so sending a journalist who isn't competent operating in that arena is a huge error in judgement.
There's a reason Musk's next interview is with Tucker Carlson.
He's not accepting interviews from seasoned news editors with decades of interviewing experience and a big team behind them to prep and cross examine his sentences live.
The BBC said the interview was set up last minute, they probably made the mistake of accepting the interview Musk wanted, but it's still provided some pretty interesting tidbits of information, like Musk lying about advertisers coming back, and his absolute best case scenario being a return to break even (which means he's losing $1Bn to interest payments)