Elon Musk

[domalino]

robotaxi & fully self driving software around the corner.

Is this post from yesterday or 2019?

That's not a joke by the way, Musk first promised robotaxis in 2016. In 2017 he said a robotaxi would drive NY to LA with zero human assistance (still hasn't happened 8 years later). By 2019 he promised there'd be 1m robotaxis on the road in 2020 (There are 0). In 2022 he promised shareholders there'd be a "dedicated robotaxi vehicle in 2023, with production starting in 2024.". In October he amde the same promise but it's now going to be produced "around 2027" which in Tesla terms means 2030, optimisitically.


Bearing in mind that Waymo are already providing a driverless taxi service in Phoenix, LA and San Francisco and has been since 2020, now they're over 100,000 driverless taxi rides a week. By the end of 2025 they'll be in 10 US cities, and we can actually believe that projection because they don't have a history of blatantly lying about progress like Tesla.

Baidu's Apolong buses have been operating publicly since 2017 and they've now launched taxis and racked up something like 8 million trips to Tesla's 0.


That's the problem with relying on Tesla as a techology company instead of a car company - they're nearly a decade behind their technological rivals.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Where’d you read that?

BBC

 

[SWP's back]

BBC

Nearly a year old and not borne out by subsequent real world sales from every maker other than Tesla but I understand why you’d have thought what you thought having read the article.

 

[laserblue]

DOGE has quietly removed from its website the five largest savings it claimed to have achieved ($7 billion) after being debunked as bullshit.

Musk’s cost-cutting drive quietly deletes billions in claimed savings from website

‘Wall of receipts’ drops five largest savings claimed by ‘department of government efficiency’ after debunking

www.theguardian.com

 

[super_city_si]

This is brillaint. 'Laminated faced ****" Epic

 

[Tugay One Cup]

This is brillaint. 'Laminated faced ****" Epic

Always been a fan but he was a bit "both sidesy" when it came to politics. Not that there's anything wrong with balance but it felt for a while that he couldn't criticise the right without feeling obliged to say something about the left, as some sort of superficial attempt at appearing balanced.

Also doesn't help that his social circle has often consisted of the likes of Rogan and his team of white, super oppressed, wannabe comedians.

But something has happened over the last year where he's just stopped giving a shit entirely and started calling out all their bollocks.

I feel like his personality and aspects of his material attracted a certain crowd who thought that he stood for something he didn't. And rather than cashing in on that audience, in the same way so many of his peers have, he's perfectly happy to alienate that portion of his audience because, at the core of who he is, he doesn't tolerate bullshit.

A lot of people say they don't tolerate bullshit but will happily lap it up when it's the bullshit they want to hear.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

 

[cjn]

it’s more than just about the sales for me.

robotaxi & fully self driving software around the corner.

they’re more than just a car company, with Optimus robots in the pipeline too - which is why I will continue to hold

maybe i’ll be proved wrong, but let’s see.

glad I can have a proper discussion with yourself, despite the other clowns on this thread.

Have you used the FSD software? I try and test it every few months just to stay current and it's not even close to Waymo at the moment in my opinion (in northern CA no less).

 

[Vic]

I don't think we're in some levelling down due to his behaviour. What's really happening is everybody who bought prior to the election are now cashing in. The same behaviour that led people to buy is now leading people to sell. It has nothing to do with the company.

TSLA has always been a volatile stock for every reason except the performance of the company. I mean 15 years ago everybody said that the company would fail completely and yet anybody who bought shares then is probably now a millionaire. The stock itself is after all why Musk is classed as the richest man in the world and has the company ever even made a real profit?

If we only considered the dull world of company performance then if you invested $1000 in Ford today then this time next year you'd probably still have $1000 and that's if you're lucky. If you only invest in stocks based upon that then you'd be best leaving the money in the bank as it's far likely to be safer...

Personally I think people will quickly get bored of the politics. I mean christ who buys a car based upon the political nature of it, I for one couldn't give a toss. There is no moral argument really anyway and certainly not from the European manufacturers who for example fit cheat devices to cheat emissions tests.

Yeah, but would you buy a used car from this man?

https://nbcmontana.com/resources/media2/16x9/635/986/center/90/dfbdfb8c-de16-48b1-8539-421316466871-Capture.PNG

 

[Vic]

Claims he has had lots of death threats since starting his role. Fingers crossed.

Man who takes actions that will kill people gets death threats.

 

[inbetween]

Yeah, but would you buy a used car from this man?

Well the fact is if you bought a Tesla then you're not buying a car from Elon Musk because he only owns 15% of Tesla anyway. It just so happens that people dislike him and so they dislike Tesla, there's no other logic beyond that.

If we come to make moral arguments on purchases then nobody can win because it's very easy to prove that there is no morally correct purchase of most things. So why not just buy the car that you want and forget worrying about who the CEO is? It's bizarre to me sorry.

If I go off my most recent cars then I haven't been cheated by Tesla and I've had no problem whatsoever with mine after nearly 3 years. I am however a victim of German car companies cheating environmental tests, not that I'm really bothered but the point is valid.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Well the fact is if you bought a Tesla then you're not buying a car from Elon Musk because he only owns 15% of Tesla anyway. It just so happens that people dislike him and so they dislike Tesla, there's no other logic beyond that.

If we come to make moral arguments on purchases then nobody can win because it's very easy to prove that there is no morally correct purchase of most things. So why not just buy the car that you want and forget worrying about who the CEO is? It's bizarre to me sorry.

If I go off my most recent cars then I haven't been cheated by Tesla and I've had no problem whatsoever with mine after nearly 3 years. I am however a victim of German car companies cheating environmental tests, not that I'm really bothered but the point is valid.

I won’t buy or wear anything red, or aligned to that scummy club across the way. Neither would I buy from a company or person that I didn’t like, hence I don’t have Sky and TNT, as they pay huge sums to the likes of Neville, Carragher and Ferdinand. Don’t listen to TalkSport … and so on.

Everything we do is emotionally driven, in one way or another, and that’s why I’d never give my hard earned money to make the likes of Musk even richer, and even look upon those that would as sad little wanker, wannabe’s.

Each to their own, though.

 

[SWP's back]

DOGE has quietly removed from its website the five largest savings it claimed to have achieved ($7 billion) after being debunked as bullshit.

Musk’s cost-cutting drive quietly deletes billions in claimed savings from website

‘Wall of receipts’ drops five largest savings claimed by ‘department of government efficiency’ after debunking

www.theguardian.com

The funny thing is that he’s “removed” $7bn from public spend whilst removing $110bn of his net worth.

 

[SWP's back]

Well the fact is if you bought a Tesla then you're not buying a car from Elon Musk because he only owns 15% of Tesla anyway. It just so happens that people dislike him and so they dislike Tesla, there's no other logic beyond that.

If we come to make moral arguments on purchases then nobody can win because it's very easy to prove that there is no morally correct purchase of most things. So why not just buy the car that you want and forget worrying about who the CEO is? It's bizarre to me sorry.

If I go off my most recent cars then I haven't been cheated by Tesla and I've had no problem whatsoever with mine after nearly 3 years. I am however a victim of German car companies cheating environmental tests, not that I'm really bothered but the point is valid.

Well Australia ( Tesla sales down 70%), Germany (sales down 60%), UK (sales down 50%), Europe (sales down 49% as a whole) shows that people do use emotion when buying cars and wanting to not be associated with the Nazi laminated faced ****.

TSLA down another $10 today at 280 now. Down 43% on December and with sales crashing worldwide as people don’t want to buy Swasticars.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Well Australia ( Tesla sales down 70%), Germany (sales down 60%), UK (sales down 50%), Europe (sales down 49% as a whole) shows that people do use emotion when buying cars and wanting to not be associated with the Nazi laminated faced ****.

TSLA down another $10 today at 280 now. Down 43% on December and with sales crashing worldwide as people don’t want to buy Swasticars.

They even look as if Nazi’s drive them.

 

[inbetween]

I won’t buy or wear anything red, or aligned to that scummy club across the way. Neither would I buy from a company or person that I didn’t like, hence I don’t have Sky and TNT, as they pay huge sums to the likes of Neville, Carragher and Ferdinand. Don’t listen to TalkSport … and so on.

Everything we do is emotionally driven, in one way or another, and that’s why I’d never give my hard earned money to make the likes of Musk even richer, and even look upon those that would as sad little wanker, wannabe’s.

Each to their own, though.

I bet a significant number of people couldn't name the Tesla CEO, let alone who Elon Musk is, let alone his brand of politics.

If you look at the EV market itself then what's really happening is the competition is becoming fierce and Tesla are no longer alone, it has nothing to do with Musk. The only real affordable EV brand that existed 2-3 years ago was Tesla but now there are loads of options. Tesla's previous USP was also their charging network but that's now open to the masses if you pay for it.

Anyone like me will be coming up to the end of their leases and BYD will become a serious option and the reason for that is pretty simple, they're cheaper. BYD did not exist in the UK EV market 2 years ago. Tesla really need to crack the case on the sub <£40k car (ignoring all the shitty taxes and tariffs) and they haven't been able to do it.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I bet a significant number of people couldn't name the Tesla CEO, let alone who Elon Musk is, let alone his brand of politics.

If you look at the EV market itself then what's really happening is the competition is becoming fierce and Tesla are no longer alone, it has nothing to do with Musk. The only real affordable EV brand that existed 2-3 years ago was Tesla but now there are loads of options. Tesla's previous USP was also their charging network but that's now open to the masses if you pay for it.

Anyone like me will be coming up to the end of their leases and BYD will become a serious option and the reason for that is pretty simple, they're cheaper. Tesla really need to crack the case on the sub <£40k car and they haven't been able to do it.

So, an emotional buy then, deciding on something you’ll like because it has benefit to you.

Just make sure it ain’t red, eh, pal ;-)

To be fair, step away from that Tesla, and get rid of that little green marker on your licence plate. No need for it, only says look at me.

 

[inbetween]

So, an emotional buy then, deciding on something you’ll like because it has benefit to you.

Just make sure it ain’t red, eh, pal ;-)

To be fair, step away from that Tesla, and get rid of that little green marker on your licence plate. No need for it, only says look at me.

It has been the best car I've ever had to be honest, brilliant to drive and it has never let me down and I don't miss paying £60 a pop to fill it up. I think it has cost me around £200-£250 in electricity over the 3 years I've had it. I had a hire car this week for travel with work, a brand new Nissan Juke and it was an absolute pig in comparison.

I'd get another one but I don't think I can afford another hence now looking at BYD but I don't know much about them to be honest. All I know is that every bugger in the office seems to be in the process of getting one.

And yes red is definitely off the table! :)

 

[meltonblue]

It has been the best car I've ever had to be honest, brilliant to drive and it has never let me down and I don't miss paying £60 a pop to fill it up. I think it has cost me around £200-£250 in electricity over the 3 years I've had it. I had a hire car this week for travel with work, a brand new Nissan Juke and it was an absolute pig in comparison.

I'd get another one but I don't think I can afford another hence now looking at BYD but I don't know much about them to be honest. All I know is that every bugger in the office seems to be in the process of getting one.

And yes red is definitely off the table! :)

BYD aren’t bad, Polestars are good too.

Are you getting one on salary sacrifice? If so then if it’s in your price range, bmw i4 every single time for that model equivalent of car, particularly if you liked driving before moving to electric.

 

[inbetween]

BYD aren’t bad, Polestars are good too.

Are you getting one on salary sacrifice? If so then if it’s in your price range, bmw i4 every single time for that model equivalent of car, particularly if you liked driving before moving to electric.

Nope I leased privately, Model 3 RWD. The deal I got at the time was great however I think the depreciation kick in has really killed the prospect of another. They're something like £500pm+ now, no chance. I've still got another year on the lease.

I'll look at salary sacrifice but I only do 6-8k miles pa so unsure if it's worth it. I do like the electric BMW's but they're probably miles out of my price range to be honest, I think a £40k(ish) car would be my limit.

I did look at the Polestars years ago, the 2 was the only model they had back then so I will have another look. The standard ones are a bit slower though and the performance versions are priced in Model Y territory..