Emergency keeper loan / Hart / Brum [All merged]

[johnny crossan]

all this anti city thing is nothing new, its what drives me to say "fuck em", come on city ram their jealousy down their fucking throats.

win these last three games for us and we can sit and watch the squirming from the fucking lot of them.

it's good to see your recovering your spirits

 

[Pigeonho]

Maybe my maths are out here, but the league table says Brum can finish 9th at best, and 12th at worst. Not sure if it works the way i'm thinking, but thats an inclusive £ rate of £3m, (£750k per place). There seems to be alot of arrogance from some on here that we can, or have a right to, do anything we want and thats not like City fans so not sure where it comes from. When we were skint, (and it should still be the case now), £3m was mega bucks and would determine our budget for next season. We loaned Hart to Brum for the season, and that is exactly what they will expect us to adhere too. There are too many comments against Brum and too many people thinking we should have a right to get him back. If ALL this was reversed and it was £3m we were depending on, we wouldn't be too happy if the parent club came in for one of our players of the season just because they were too stupid to let him go in the first place, or at least not ensure adequate back up was available should the worst scenario happen. Brum have no reason to let Hart go, none whatsoever and we don't have a leg to stand on, Billions in the bank or not. The season was always going to typically ride on some daft decision of ours at some point, and that is proving to be exactly the case with this ludicrous situation we have now, a situation where our 4th choice keeper is the only one fit, all because we decided to let the future England number one go off ALL season and not ensure adequate back up was brought in. It is going to bite our back sides in a big way, but we only have ourselves to blame, not Brum, not Mcleish and no silly anti-City articles in the papers. I just hope we've learnt our fucking lesson here.

 

[avoidconfusion]

Has anyone considered that Birmingham can help to stop Villa qualifying for the Champions League by releasing Hart? Would we do the same to stop United? You bet we would!

Very good point actually!

And from what I read from Birmingham fans so far, they would LOVE that, especially after Villa cheated a win on the weekend.

 

[Rememberremember]

Not sure if his name has come up yet, David James?

 

[Dubai Blue]

Maybe my maths are out here, but the league table says Brum can finish 9th at best, and 12th at worst. Not sure if it works the way i'm thinking, but thats an inclusive £ rate of £3m, (£750k per place). There seems to be alot of arrogance from some on here that we can, or have a right to, do anything we want and thats not like City fans so not sure where it comes from. When we were skint, (and it should still be the case now), £3m was mega bucks and would determine our budget for next season. We loaned Hart to Brum for the season, and that is exactly what they will expect us to adhere too. There are too many comments against Brum and too many people thinking we should have a right to get him back. If ALL this was reversed and it was £3m we were depending on, we wouldn't be too happy if the parent club came in for one of our players of the season just because they were too stupid to let him go in the first place, or at least not ensure adequate back up was available should the worst scenario happen. Brum have no reason to let Hart go, none whatsoever and we don't have a leg to stand on, Billions in the bank or not. The season was always going to typically ride on some daft decision of ours at some point, and that is proving to be exactly the case with this ludicrous situation we have now, a situation where our 4th choice keeper is the only one fit, all because we decided to let the future England number one go off ALL season and not ensure adequate back up was brought in. It is going to bite our back sides in a big way, but we only have ourselves to blame, not Brum, not Mcleish and no silly anti-City articles in the papers. I just hope we've learnt our fucking lesson here.

I agree that Birmingham shouldn't just be expected to forfeit a possible £3m to help us out. The ball is very much firmly in their court. But is it not possible for us to pay a £3m loan fee (they technically own his registration)? There's also the possibility of loaning them other players next year for no fee and offering Joe himself a bumper new contract for next season in return for telling Birmingham that he wishes to go back to City now. Birmingham might already have identified a player of ours they want to sign next year and we've agreed to knock £3m off the fee.

As you say, they shouldn't be expected to come out losers from any possible deal and I'm sure that's what is being thrashed out at this very moment.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Not sure if his name has come up yet, David James?

Not the best of first posts but welcome anyway!

 

[Pigeonho]

Maybe my maths are out here, but the league table says Brum can finish 9th at best, and 12th at worst. Not sure if it works the way i'm thinking, but thats an inclusive £ rate of £3m, (£750k per place). There seems to be alot of arrogance from some on here that we can, or have a right to, do anything we want and thats not like City fans so not sure where it comes from. When we were skint, (and it should still be the case now), £3m was mega bucks and would determine our budget for next season. We loaned Hart to Brum for the season, and that is exactly what they will expect us to adhere too. There are too many comments against Brum and too many people thinking we should have a right to get him back. If ALL this was reversed and it was £3m we were depending on, we wouldn't be too happy if the parent club came in for one of our players of the season just because they were too stupid to let him go in the first place, or at least not ensure adequate back up was available should the worst scenario happen. Brum have no reason to let Hart go, none whatsoever and we don't have a leg to stand on, Billions in the bank or not. The season was always going to typically ride on some daft decision of ours at some point, and that is proving to be exactly the case with this ludicrous situation we have now, a situation where our 4th choice keeper is the only one fit, all because we decided to let the future England number one go off ALL season and not ensure adequate back up was brought in. It is going to bite our back sides in a big way, but we only have ourselves to blame, not Brum, not Mcleish and no silly anti-City articles in the papers. I just hope we've learnt our fucking lesson here.

I agree that Birmingham shouldn't just be expected to forfeit a possible £3m to help us out. The ball is very much firmly in their court. But is it not possible for us to pay a £3m loan fee (they technically own his registration)? There's also the possibility of loaning them other players next year for no fee and offering Joe himself a bumper new contract for next season in return for telling Birmingham that he wishes to go back to City now.

It just smacks a bit of us throwing our weight around to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I want Hart back because it will be a boost to the defence to know someone concrete is behind them, but it would also feel a little bit plastic to me too. I'm trying to think of a phrase to sum it up, like we want our cake and eat it and by that I mean we were willing to let Hart go all season to benefit both him and us in the long term, but now we are up shit creek, we now want him back and I think you'll (not you personally) find the agreement was a season-long loan agreement. If we go in and say we'll give you compo for any league positions lost, and a pick of our players next year it just feels a bit not-City that if you get my drift.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Maybe my maths are out here, but the league table says Brum can finish 9th at best, and 12th at worst. Not sure if it works the way i'm thinking, but thats an inclusive £ rate of £3m, (£750k per place). There seems to be alot of arrogance from some on here that we can, or have a right to, do anything we want and thats not like City fans so not sure where it comes from. When we were skint, (and it should still be the case now), £3m was mega bucks and would determine our budget for next season. We loaned Hart to Brum for the season, and that is exactly what they will expect us to adhere too. There are too many comments against Brum and too many people thinking we should have a right to get him back. If ALL this was reversed and it was £3m we were depending on, we wouldn't be too happy if the parent club came in for one of our players of the season just because they were too stupid to let him go in the first place, or at least not ensure adequate back up was available should the worst scenario happen. Brum have no reason to let Hart go, none whatsoever and we don't have a leg to stand on, Billions in the bank or not. The season was always going to typically ride on some daft decision of ours at some point, and that is proving to be exactly the case with this ludicrous situation we have now, a situation where our 4th choice keeper is the only one fit, all because we decided to let the future England number one go off ALL season and not ensure adequate back up was brought in. It is going to bite our back sides in a big way, but we only have ourselves to blame, not Brum, not Mcleish and no silly anti-City articles in the papers. I just hope we've learnt our fucking lesson here.

I agree that Birmingham shouldn't just be expected to forfeit a possible £3m to help us out. The ball is very much firmly in their court. But is it not possible for us to pay a £3m loan fee (they technically own his registration)? There's also the possibility of loaning them other players next year for no fee and offering Joe himself a bumper new contract for next season in return for telling Birmingham that he wishes to go back to City now. Birmingham might already have identified a player of ours they want to sign next year and we've agreed to knock £3m off the fee.

As you say, they shouldn't be expected to come out losers from any possible deal and I'm sure that's what is being thrashed out at this very moment.

Seriously mate you can't be advocating that we pay £3m for him to come back?

 

[bluesharx]

Gunner looks like he'll be hard to beat, is that big and hairy the ball will never go past him!!

 

[Dubai Blue]

I agree that Birmingham shouldn't just be expected to forfeit a possible £3m to help us out. The ball is very much firmly in their court. But is it not possible for us to pay a £3m loan fee (they technically own his registration)? There's also the possibility of loaning them other players next year for no fee and offering Joe himself a bumper new contract for next season in return for telling Birmingham that he wishes to go back to City now. Birmingham might already have identified a player of ours they want to sign next year and we've agreed to knock £3m off the fee.

As you say, they shouldn't be expected to come out losers from any possible deal and I'm sure that's what is being thrashed out at this very moment.

Seriously mate you can't be advocating that we pay £3m for him to come back?

Not really no, just pointing out that there are ways and means around it. £3m is what Brum would lose if they lost their remaining games and their rivals won all of theirs, which isn't going to happen. If he comes back, I'm sure there will be some form of compensation thrashed out, be it in terms of loans next year or future transfers. It won't be anywhere near £3m, I was just trying to make a point. Badly.