England v Belgium | Friendly | Match Thread

[ShaunMCFC]

Obviously a good player but my god Bellingham doesn’t half hold onto the ball for too long.

 

[Don Karleone]

Rodri can actually be pretty arrogant, himself. It’s generally required to get anywhere near the top level. You have to have supreme confidence in yourself to the point of coming off as overestimating your own abilities just to make it through the gauntlet.

He is just also very intelligent and selfless, so it normally comes of as assertiveness and leadership. His arrogance is channeled for comprehensively positive impact.

The issue with Bellingham is that he is not only the run-of-the-mill arrogant, he is selfish and actually self-important. He’s starting to internalise the reverence coming from every direction, which is changing not only how he plays but how he sees his place relative to everyone else.

Someone prominent that has been there themselves needs to have a word with him about it. I think Zidane would actually be a decent candidate.

Otherwise he is going down a self-destructive path.

Good post, I don't disagree.

 

[Blue and true]

None of that has anything to did with the self-destructive path that is going down if he continues to internal the reverence coming from every direction and becomes more selfish and more self-important as he does.

There have been some absolutely amazing footballers that I have done similarly to him at fire, who have then crashed and burned when they followed a similar path.

Any student of football would be aware of that and be able to recognise the signs on the pitch and off it.

They are all there with Bellingham at present.

Sorry mate but that's just waffle. When he starts turning up to training half-cut, or getting into scraps on night outs, we can begin to talk about self-destructive paths.

Does he come across as an arrogant prick? Absolutely. Some of the greatest players ever were self-conceited, it's not new territory.

 

[burning blue soul]

That's weird...
I didn't want to say it but I get pogba at juventus vibes from Bellingham.
Johnny Big spuds with great players around him.

He needs to do 3 top level seasons at Madrid before gets on the "top, top, top, top, player list"

 

[BringBackSwales]

Messi was incredible cruyff was incredible mara.........

You get the drift the problem is your definition of incredible.

Messi and Cruyff do/did not come over as arrogant, nor did Pele. Nor did Colin Bell, Dave Silva, KDB

 

[hilts]

Nope, I'm just not in denial. He's an incredible player by every conceivable metric. By other teams, do you mean Dortmund?

Listen you're a fan it's very sweet, I won't have a word said against Margot Robbie we all have our infatuations.

I hope you Jude and Madrid have a wonderful time together. Except against City obviously. But like you said he doesn't show up against us anyhow.

 

[Phil1]

The big issue for the majority of the talented players is they are all playing their own game. Bellingham is Real Madrid Bellingham and not England. Same with Rice, same with Mainoo the list goes on.
Unless Southgate can gel them and drum it into them this is a team game England will suffer.

 

[MMA]

He needs to do 3 top level seasons at Madrid before gets on the "top, top, top, top, player list"

Like we need to win 4 in a row to be top, top top, top best ever.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Rodri is not arrogant.
He gets cropped all the time and gets rightly pissed off.
Gets targeted.
Fire in his belly might get him into trouble now and again but arrogant he certainly is not.

I think you are viewing arrogance in this context as both bad and uncommon, when in reality most footballers that make it to the highest echelons of football, as Rodri has, are arrogant, because they have to be to get there and stay there.

But, as I said, Rodri has other brilliant qualities that allow him to channel the arrogance for comprehensively positive impact.

When players start losing those balancing qualities, as Bellingham seems to be, is when issue begin to arise.

Arrogance doesn’t necessarily make someone selfish or problematic.

 

[hilts]

Messi and Cruyff do/did not come over as arrogant, nor did Pele. Nor did Colin Bell, Dave Silva, KDB

Yeah I've never really gone with the attitude leads to success bollocks. It's more simple than that. Talent will find a sinner as often as a Saint, tis the luck of the draw.

 

[RayCTID]

Goal aside Bellingham wasn't particularly brilliant

 

[MMA]

I think you are viewing arrogance in this context as both bad and uncommon, when in reality most footballers that make it to the highest echelons of football, as Rodri has, are arrogant, because they have to be to get there and stay there.

But, as I said, Rodri has other brilliant qualities that allow him to channel the arrogance for comprehensively positive impact.

When players start losing those balancing qualities, as Bellingham seems to be, is when issue begin to arise.

Arrogance doesn’t necessarily make someone selfish or problematic.

Trust me mate.
I know the fine line between arrogance and greatness with humility.

Rodders is the epitome of a humble great player.
Bellingham crosses the line.
And for me will only get worse.

Future rag player all over him.

Never would say he's shit.
He's clearly not.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

Looks like all ours were flogged to fuck in dog piss, meaningless friendlies. These coaches are wankers.

 

[hilts]

I think you are viewing arrogance in this context as both bad and uncommon, when in reality most footballers that make it to the highest echelons of football, as Rodri has, are arrogant, because they have to be to get there and stay there.

But, as I said, Rodri has other brilliant qualities that allow him to channel the arrogance for comprehensively positive impact.

When players start losing those balancing qualities, as Bellingham seems to be, is when issue begin to arise.

Arrogance doesn’t necessarily make someone selfish or problematic.

Why do you have to be arrogant to make it and stay there.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Stones looks like he jarred his knee. Any update on him?

 

[BringBackSwales]

I think you are viewing arrogance in this context as both bad and uncommon, when in reality most footballers that make it to the highest echelons of football, as Rodri has, are arrogant, because they have to be to get there and stay there.

But, as I said, Rodri has other brilliant qualities that allow him to channel the arrogance for comprehensively positive impact.

When players start losing those balancing qualities, as Bellingham seems to be, is when issue begin to arise.

Arrogance doesn’t necessarily make someone selfish or problematic.

I think he’s an extremely pleasant and incredibly humble person, he is nowhere near being arrogant

 

[John Wayne]

Stones looks like he jarred his knee. Any update on him?

Adductor muscle seems to be the belief now circulating online.

 

[supercity88]

Sorry mate but that's just waffle. When he starts turning up to training half-cut, or getting into scraps on night outs, we can begin to talk about self-destructive paths.

Does he come across as an arrogant prick? Absolutely. Some of the greatest players ever were self-conceited, it's not new territory.

Agree, all he is doing for me is trying to make things happen and just needs to appreciate that there are other talented players in the team he can pass the ball to (as long as it goes forwards that is). Too many touches and holding the ball for too long isn't arrogance, it's merely a reflection of the fact he is trying to inspire something in the team and doesn't have full faith in those around him.

When you watch the ball get passed sideways across the back 4 for 10mins it's not a surprise. He was better in the 2nd half when Phil started to get on the ball a bit more.

If Bellingham can understand the benefit in passing to Phil early, he will reap the rewards.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

That was a decent match and I thought we were exciting going forwards. Much better than previous games.

The link up between Mainoo, Bellingham and Foden was excellent. Add Kane and Saka to the mix, get our defenders back and we’re serious contenders for the Euros.

Not in the first half. Didn't bother with the second half, but I saw the stats and it did seem a lot better in that regard.

 

[Crooked_rain]

Why do you have to be arrogant to make it and stay there.

It's one of those nonsense phrases

Plenty of greats in sport have been very humble people