England v Honduras

Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Had to laugh at Townsend last night going on about how Italy and Uruguay are not great sides and how England could beat both of them.

This at a time when we were being held by the ten men of mighty Honduras!

Why don't the press and pundits just say it as it is, if England get out of the group stage they will have done well.

Having said that the last 16 draw is kind if they do and the QF could be doable if they get out of group.

ITV and the BBC are attempting to big up England to create a buzz. It's the flagship of their schedules this year. Some people who follow the game once every four years might fall for it, but anyone with slight understanding of the game will see through it.

Much as I want England to do well, my enjoyment of the tournament is not based on how we perform. I'm looking forward to it.
 
I wouldn't read too much in to that game last night . I think we will play better than that when the real action starts . I bet Honduras will be celebrating today that result .
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Had to laugh at Townsend last night going on about how Italy and Uruguay are not great sides and how England could beat both of them.

This at a time when we were being held by the ten men of mighty Honduras!

Why don't the press and pundits just say it as it is, if England get out of the group stage they will have done well.

Having said that the last 16 draw is kind if they do and the QF could be doable if they get out of group.

i think we could beat them italy and uruguay aren't great teams.
 
Blue Punter said:
inbetween said:
Anyone who truly thinks England will make tracks in this WC then I'm sorry if this bursts things, really awful performance last night. ITV seem to believe this could be our best world cup for sometime but I really do believe it could be our worst with us leaving at the group stage. There is just nothing in that team that is exciting or contains any ounce of individual magic which will change games. Hodgson throws the team around but it doesn't seem to make any difference, we play a flat back 4 with wingbacks who are scared stiff to get forward and the only other driving effort going forward is when we route 1 the ball forward quickly and hope someone latches on and scores. Gerrard showed last night he is completely inferior to someone like Yaya who controls the game and moves with the ball. Gerrard doesn't follow it and lapses in the game, so many times the defence can't play it out of defence because they have no-one to push it out to and again it just gets booted quickly forward. There is ZERO control from midfield it is just endless route 1 because the midfield is so static and rigid that they literally want the ball where they are at that point in time.

The saving grace is we have players like Barkley coming through but even then a lot of the new players are good on the ball but not so good off it, Barkley is good at running with it but that is about it, he cannot control games. That is why we never win anything because we do not have a complete player. Wilshere is okay but he is a similar player to Barkley, I was really disappointed too with Lallana who made no impact at all and looked lost. There is just no driving power or physicality in that midfield either which suggests it can dominate a game. We need a lynchpin who can control games, where is the Yaya/Pirlo/Alonso/Busquets/Rossi/Schweinsteiger in this England team?? History tells us the worlds best teams have the worlds best midfield and ours is absolutely shocking, so shocking that I seriously doubt Hodgson gives a toss who he picks. No wonder Gerrard starts for us because who else is there?? Our attack looks good on paper but without a midfield they are just starved of anything and we have to rely on someone like Welbeck moving out wide to hopefully beat a man or 2 and getting a cross in..... Pathetic. No direction, no attacking style or identity, it is just kick and rush and hope.

We will not beat Italy the way we attack and we certainly more than likely won't keep a clean sheet the way we defend. The Italians defend so well and will control the game with their superior midfield (Pirlo is 35 ffs!!). With Italy it is just a case of whether they can get a goal because they are known for their cautious style. Uruguay have a quality front line but I'm not sure how they defend but on last nights performance, they shouldn't have too much of a problem if they can muster a defence similar to Honduras.. Costa Rica might be the one game where we can safely say we should be winning but even then who knows what will happen as we seemingly cannot even put in a performance against Ecuador or Honduras... The one decent team we have played in the last year is Chile and we were well beaten at Wembley. Chile are pretty average though but they had Sanchez, that one player who can change things.

To those holding hope that is fine and I really do hope we go far because I'd love to see us do well but with brain engaged - tactically we are atrocious and the players look like a bunch of individuals lost in an England team. I just cannot see on the showings so far how we can possibly even win a game beyond the group stages; there is just too many good teams out there and we aren't one of them. Add to this the difficult conditions and I'm afraid it just will not happen. It never will happen too until there is some focus into developing and picking what we NEED in this team rather than dictating the team based on reputation+salary packet.........

That's a pretty good appraisal. Whilst the storm was on, the three pundits were asked to pick their teams. None of them could agree on a central midfielder to partner Gerrard. Milner, Henderson & Lampard were all suggested. This is one of the key positions and Hodgson himself doesn't seem to know. To be honest I'm not sure who'd I play there myself. Wilshire has regressed at an alarming rate and it's probably too much of an ask for Barkeley at this stage.

The two centre halves are decent number twos in our domestic league. Both play with experienced partners in Terry & Distin who take the lead and organise. I don't see them together as good enough. Loathsome as he is, Terry would have been much stronger alongside Cahill.

As with the defence, up front is a real problem. Rooney looks out of form and the conditions are gonna kill him. Wellbeck is enthusiastic but nowhere near good enough at this level. Sturridge is technically very good, but for England seems more interested in appearing on the end of game montage for step overs and fancy flicks. He needs to stop dwelling on the ball and be more direct. The potential trump card for me is Sterling. Has pace to burn, is direct and doesn't seem afraid to try and beat a man.

Set pieces aside I can't see us scoring. The build up is too slow. I'm sure Roy would take two draws with a view to edging past Costa Rica in the final game.

Indeed, we have a few players who can drive things forward like Wilshere and Barkley but then it doesn't change the weakness we have in so many other areas. In terms of that central midfield area just in front of the defence there is no player at all coming through that looks a quality replacement for Gerrard/Lampard. Even Gareth Barry would of been fairly decent in that area where the squad is so weak and I'm really surprised he didn't get in after making a big impact at Everton.
 
baildon blue said:
I wouldn't read too much in to that game last night . I think we will play better than that when the real action starts . I bet Honduras will be celebrating today that result .

I would read quite a bit into that game last night. Mainly the ability of our so called top players, to turn a decent on the
floor pass into a head high nightmare to control.
 
baildon blue said:
I wouldn't read too much in to that game last night . I think we will play better than that when the real action starts . I bet Honduras will be celebrating today that result .

I'm sure they are. It was less than a week ago that Israel stuck FOUR past them.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Had to laugh at Townsend last night going on about how Italy and Uruguay are not great sides and how England could beat both of them.

This at a time when we were being held by the ten men of mighty Honduras!

Why don't the press and pundits just say it as it is, if England get out of the group stage they will have done well.

Having said that the last 16 draw is kind if they do and the QF could be doable if they get out of group.

i think we could beat them italy and uruguay aren't great teams.
Worst Italian team I can remember.

Balotelli will have to pull something special out, but he's not had a good season. Pirlo is surely way past his best.

Uruguay will be difficult to beat, but Cavani is very much over-rated and Forlan is surely finished. Suarez isn't very effective in big games and ike so many players is recovering from injury

I can see England edging it in a very tight group. After that although anything can happen in a one-off game, it would be a surprise to see them get much further.

Its the worst England team I can remember. The central defence and right back are rubbish. Gerrard is over-rated and Rooney has gone. Barkley and Raheem Sterling will pose a threat - if they play.

The game last night was really poor, but ITV tried their best to put England in a positive light.
 
Ambivalent as I am about England in general and Hodgson in particular, I too reckon England can beat Italy and Uruguay, who have both looked decidedly average based on what I've seen, and many Italian pundits are saying that this is their worst world cup squad for generations.
Last night was an exercise in abject futility, as I can't for the life of me see the logic of playing pointless friendlies a week before the competition begins, as you learn fuck all from a half-paced stroll where all of the players are just trying to get through the game without getting injured.
Surely even a clueless fuckwit like Woy must know his starting eleven by now.
 
Marvin said:
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Had to laugh at Townsend last night going on about how Italy and Uruguay are not great sides and how England could beat both of them.

This at a time when we were being held by the ten men of mighty Honduras!

Why don't the press and pundits just say it as it is, if England get out of the group stage they will have done well.

Having said that the last 16 draw is kind if they do and the QF could be doable if they get out of group.

i think we could beat them italy and uruguay aren't great teams.
Worst Italian team I can remember.

Balotelli will have to pull something special out, but he's not had a good season. Pirlo is surely way past his best.

Uruguay will be difficult to beat, but Cavani is very much over-rated and Forlan is surely finished. Suarez isn't very effective in big games and ike so many players is recovering from injury

I can see England edging it in a very tight group. After that although anything can happen in a one-off game, it would be a surprise to see them get much further.

Its the worst England team I can remember. The central defence and right back are rubbish. Gerrard is over-rated and Rooney has gone. Barkley and Raheem Sterling will pose a threat - if they play.

The game last night was really poor, but ITV tried their best to put England in a positive light.

agree uruguay attack is very good but the rest of the team is average for me. The italy team isn't great one or two very good players but lots of very old ones. I think we will make it past the group stages after that i dont know anything can happen.

RB we are rubbish id play flanagan over johnson who is just terrible.
 
Blue Punter said:
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Had to laugh at Townsend last night going on about how Italy and Uruguay are not great sides and how England could beat both of them.

This at a time when we were being held by the ten men of mighty Honduras!

Why don't the press and pundits just say it as it is, if England get out of the group stage they will have done well.

Having said that the last 16 draw is kind if they do and the QF could be doable if they get out of group.

ITV and the BBC are attempting to big up England to create a buzz. It's the flagship of their schedules this year. Some people who follow the game once every four years might fall for it, but anyone with slight understanding of the game will see through it.

Much as I want England to do well, my enjoyment of the tournament is not based on how we perform. I'm looking forward to it.
Like you say blue punter the world cup isn't about England . One of my first memories of a world cup . Was seeing Roger Milla playing for Cameroon in 1982 . And still my best match at a world cup was Italy - Brazil in 1982 .
 

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