England V Italy, Quarter Final 2012 (merged)

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Wait...did Michael '4 minutes of football a season' Owen just call Pirlo a 'joke'??
 
mancmackem said:
I'll throw my observations in...

- I thought the horse had a good game when he came on and has done himself proud this tournament. Come on now, this lad has had a bagload of stick all season from fans across the Premier League (including me). Rooney badly let him down in terms of giving an outlet for Carroll to hit when the ball came down onto his hooves.

- Glen Johnson made some vital interceptions and positioned himself well for the chance. But if you play that way, you really let your covering midfielder down and I bet Milner was fucked even by 55 mins when he was took off. I still don't rate him and think Richards is a better right back, offering more balance for the right hand side.

- Rooney should have been brought off rather than Wellbeck, purely the overhyped name kept him on that pitch tonight. Shows Roy's lack of strength to go against the grain and take a risk with the media.

- Terry, although never taking his coffee black has had a good tournament as a footballer. Partnered well with Lescott impressing too, without them it would have been 3-0 tonight. Let's see if his defence in court is as good as his defensive talents for England. Horrible person.

- Ashley Young was a HUGE negative for the tournament, no impact at all. But as Hodgson does not want to risk the media who could turn against him with a poor World Cup qualifying campaign he will stay in the squad.

- Good experience for the Ox, sounds the type of professional who soaks up advice like a sponge and could become the biggest national favourite since a young Michael Owen.

- Will a 34 year old Steven Gerrard be fit enough for the rigours of another World Cup? Has done a good job as England captain and has said all of the right things, but possibly another tournament is beyond him (especially with the pressure the next couple of club seasons will place upon him, holding up Liverpool but not with a gun).

Think that's it from me.
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I agree with all of that.
 
mancmackem said:
I'll throw my observations in...

- I thought the horse had a good game when he came on and has done himself proud this tournament. Come on now, this lad has had a bagload of stick all season from fans across the Premier League (including me). Rooney badly let him down in terms of giving an outlet for Carroll to hit when the ball came down onto his hooves.

- Glen Johnson made some vital interceptions and positioned himself well for the chance. But if you play that way, you really let your covering midfielder down and I bet Milner was fucked even by 55 mins when he was took off. I still don't rate him and think Richards is a better right back, offering more balance for the right hand side.

- Rooney should have been brought off rather than Wellbeck, purely the overhyped name kept him on that pitch tonight. Shows Roy's lack of strength to go against the grain and take a risk with the media.

- Terry, although never taking his coffee black has had a good tournament as a footballer. Partnered well with Lescott impressing too, without them it would have been 3-0 tonight. Let's see if his defence in court is as good as his defensive talents for England. Horrible person.

- Ashley Young was a HUGE negative for the tournament, no impact at all. But as Hodgson does not want to risk the media who could turn against him with a poor World Cup qualifying campaign he will stay in the squad.

- Good experience for the Ox, sounds the type of professional who soaks up advice like a sponge and could become the biggest national favourite since a young Michael Owen.

- Will a 34 year old Steven Gerrard be fit enough for the rigours of another World Cup? Has done a good job as England captain and has said all of the right things, but possibly another tournament is beyond him (especially with the pressure the next couple of club seasons will place upon him, holding up Liverpool but not with a gun).

Think that's it from me.
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Good summary
 
Well folks, I'm on the verge of giving up passing opinion on what I thought I saw simply because the overwhelming majority of people I have spoken to over the last 24hrs seem to say Johnson - that is GLEN Johnson - actually played well.

Clearly I'm addicted to LSD as I thought he was fucking worse than shite.
 
strongbowholic said:
Well folks, I'm on the verge of giving up passing opinion on what I thought I saw simply because the overwhelming majority of people I have spoken to over the last 24hrs seem to say Johnson - that is GLEN Johnson - actually played well.

Clearly I'm addicted to LSD as I thought he was fucking worse than shite.
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his positional play was fucking dreadful, people don't pay attention and see an interception or two and don't realize he's only made those two because he's out of position the entire game, and also don't realize the million times that his pisspoor defending costs the team
 
My two cents ...... the English play was embarrassing. Players appraisal: Ashley Young (waste of time, poor play), Steven Gerrard (some good play but at 34 needs to be replaced now so that replacement has two years before the next world cup), Ditto for Parker who is basically unskilled except in his willingness to put his body in the way to block shots on goal. James Milner (beaten with the ball way too many times -- a couple of good passes), Ashley Cole (rarely in the right position), Glen Johnson (overall performance rubbish), Rooney (not match fit), Wellbeck (got lost too much), Joe Hart (overall good performance but got a lot of help from goalposts). Lescott and Terry pretty solid throughout but again moving up in years. Theo Walcott quite good and England certainly needed his pace.

Recommendation to Hodgson is not select ANY player over 30 years old or will be over 30 by next world cup. Give Micah Richards an extended run. Also extended runs to Walcott, O-Chamberlain, and other youngsters.
 
Kippaxgirl said:
My two cents ...... the English play was embarrassing. Players appraisal: Ashley Young (waste of time, poor play), Steven Gerrard (some good play but at 34 needs to be replaced now so that replacement has two years before the next world cup), Ditto for Parker who is basically unskilled except in his willingness to put his body in the way to block shots on goal. James Milner (beaten with the ball way too many times -- a couple of good passes), Ashley Cole (rarely in the right position), Glen Johnson (overall performance rubbish), Rooney (not match fit), Wellbeck (got lost too much), Joe Hart (overall good performance but got a lot of help from goalposts). Lescott and Terry pretty solid throughout but again moving up in years. Theo Walcott quite good and England certainly needed his pace.

Recommendation to Hodgson is not select ANY player over 30 years old or will be over 30 by next world cup. Give Micah Richards an extended run. Also extended runs to Walcott, O-Chamberlain, and other youngsters.
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Why? Did they keep moving when the Italians were shooting? That's like saying that Hart got a lot of help from that space between the goalpost & the corner flag. THE GOALPOST IS OFF TARGET - WHEN YOU HIT THE POST IT MEANS THAT YOU MISSED, FFS!!
 
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