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England's problem
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the god Gerry Gow
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Markt85 said:blueinsa said:Markt85 said:Absolutely spot on - Football is a fickle game... were on par with about 20 teams in that world cup, results can go either way soley based on a refs decision.
We have got loads of brilliant kids coming through, Sterling/Lallana/Sturridge/Barkely.. the list goes on...
unfortunately the world cup is basically a knock out competition ... Spain have a amazing array of talent yet there out, Brazil have won on a dodgy ref and failed to score against Mexico - is there a problem with there grass roots, attitude bla bla bla
we could have the best infrastructure, the best coaches for kids, the most funding etc... but when it comes to the World Cup all that makes only half of it.
Fat Sam sticks the kids in and you go all the way down to the bottom division over the next 4 years.
That's ok because the kids have promise and its all down to a bit of luck here and there yeah?
Stop talking shit mate. We get it, you have a hard on for team England and its cockneys like you, the FA love as you are the type of punter that fills out Wembley to watch the same shite year in, year out.
whats Man Citys problem in the champions league then ???
mentality not there when you play european teams... coaching not good enough ?
Or would you say your on par with about 15 other teams and any one of them could win it hence no team has won the champions league twice in a row...
Thing is though if you are talking about England we are not on a par with teams that are likely to win it - we are not even on a par with teams who have supposedly inferior players but better systems and tactics. So basically you are spouting shit
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Markt85 said:were a nation of moaners.
No mate, we are a nation of realists, sick and tired of the brand, "team fucking England".
No fucker expects us to win the world cup every 4 years but compete, given we have a pool of players plying their trades in the greatest domestic league in the world, fucking right we do and we expect to have a management team that has the balls to pick the best 11 players to make the best team, regardless of names and clubs represented.
Last nights fantasy 11 of Liverpool/Rags/Everton did fuck all apart from appease a few hundred thousand plastics, mostly sat round tv sets down sarf!
afhald
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ask Diego Costamac said:We need more foreigners.
prestonibbo_mcfc
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Cheesy said:Pretty much all of the above plus the fact that most if them aren't prepared to go abroad to play & develop their game. Too much like hard work.
It's not that. Ok most don't want to as the earnings here are better. But no foreign clubs want or need our players.
nice neil
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The fact is, England are an average football nation, with an average team filled with average, overrated players. Once we all accept that, failure becomes quite easy to swallow. :-)
Not feeling disappointed at all, this for me was completely expected. To be fair to us, playing Italy and Uruguay is the type of fixture you'd expect to have in the latter stages. What will annoy everyone and what is so pathetic is the manner in which we have capitulated. Everyone said we played well against Italy but we DIDN'T, the attitude is summed up by the clowns at ITV who at half time are appraising England's performance and specifically our attack whilst we are 1-0 DOWN???
I felt sorry for Shrek because he has a ridiculous amount of pressure placed unfairly on his shoulders when he isn't the reason we are out, neither is passion, neither is poor attitude. To be fair to Rooney he has 1 assist and a goal to his name, better than anyone else in the squad. We are out because as a nation we do not focus on playing the complete football game. We focus on getting results, we focus on scoring, on strikers, on wingers, on attacking midfielders. We do not focus on having a half decent defence, a half decent midfield. Would anyone in England have taken a 0-0 draw with the positive being we defended valiantly, would they bollocks!!! That is the problem.
Look at Gerrard yesterday, he made the biggest cock up of the year to put through Suarez. Is he being slated though? Of course he isn't because we will all go back to slating the WRONG areas and then if we can't find an obvious area to slag off in attack we will instead slag their lack of passion, it's pathetic.
As an attacking force we did more than enough against Italy, we did more than enough against Uruguay to get a draw and that would have put us in a good place going into the next game against the relatively easier team. Instead because of this obsession with going for the jugular, going for the win, going for destiny we then forgot to defend against WORLD CLASS strikers and opposition and then lose the game. It was exactly the same against Italy and the warning signs were there, we scored a goal to get back against Italy and it was like we would go on and win it. Italy though probably just thought oh well we will just be calm and take our time to get a second goal and guess what happened, they did.
The second we scored to make it 1-1, why wasn't Hodgson throwing on Milner to help Gerrard and Henderson who got absolutely torn apart at times. Why wasn't there a signal that said, okay there is 15 minutes to go and we have just given ourselves a lifeline, lets make sure we aren't going home. Instead we frantically panicked searching for a winner and Suarez just needed ONE single chance and bang we are on our way home. The tactical attitude is all wrong and it's the same reason Liverpool didn't win the league last year. Too obsessed with destiny, passion and being so naive to think that at this level we would just go on and win the game. Instead we made yet another mistake in defending and gave the ball to the best striker in the world right now, great job, good night.
As a nation we place far too much emphasis on players as individuals, the hype around Rooney before this game was absolutely ridiculous. Whether he plays or not is totally irrelevant because the team is not built around him. What happened instead was Hodgson played the exact same team which to be fair worked a little but he was playing the same problematic team with the EXACT SAME WEAKNESSES. Those weaknesses were exposed time and time again and I'm sorry but the blame lays firmly with the poor defensive performance and finally the manager. It does not lie with the attack, the referee, the passion, the weather or any other pathetic excuse.
If we want to have any chance in these competitions we need to sort out what this team NEEDS rather than who is going to get us more goals. We have got it right at City where every position is scrutinised, hell holistic is the word. Going forward, England seriously need to address how we can defend better and stop obsessing over passionate performances or any of the other bullshit. We were shite because 75% of the team is not good enough to win things at that level. Look at the number of players in that team who have recent European experience-
Hart-yes Cahill-yes Jagielka-no Johnson-no Baines-no Gerrard-no Henderson-no Welbeck-yes, Rooney-yes, Sturridge-no Sterling-no
That is only 4 players in yesterdays England team which has recent EUROPEAN experience, how the hell can we expect to get any kind of result on a world stage when over 50% of the team has barely played in Europe I do not know.
I felt sorry for Shrek because he has a ridiculous amount of pressure placed unfairly on his shoulders when he isn't the reason we are out, neither is passion, neither is poor attitude. To be fair to Rooney he has 1 assist and a goal to his name, better than anyone else in the squad. We are out because as a nation we do not focus on playing the complete football game. We focus on getting results, we focus on scoring, on strikers, on wingers, on attacking midfielders. We do not focus on having a half decent defence, a half decent midfield. Would anyone in England have taken a 0-0 draw with the positive being we defended valiantly, would they bollocks!!! That is the problem.
Look at Gerrard yesterday, he made the biggest cock up of the year to put through Suarez. Is he being slated though? Of course he isn't because we will all go back to slating the WRONG areas and then if we can't find an obvious area to slag off in attack we will instead slag their lack of passion, it's pathetic.
As an attacking force we did more than enough against Italy, we did more than enough against Uruguay to get a draw and that would have put us in a good place going into the next game against the relatively easier team. Instead because of this obsession with going for the jugular, going for the win, going for destiny we then forgot to defend against WORLD CLASS strikers and opposition and then lose the game. It was exactly the same against Italy and the warning signs were there, we scored a goal to get back against Italy and it was like we would go on and win it. Italy though probably just thought oh well we will just be calm and take our time to get a second goal and guess what happened, they did.
The second we scored to make it 1-1, why wasn't Hodgson throwing on Milner to help Gerrard and Henderson who got absolutely torn apart at times. Why wasn't there a signal that said, okay there is 15 minutes to go and we have just given ourselves a lifeline, lets make sure we aren't going home. Instead we frantically panicked searching for a winner and Suarez just needed ONE single chance and bang we are on our way home. The tactical attitude is all wrong and it's the same reason Liverpool didn't win the league last year. Too obsessed with destiny, passion and being so naive to think that at this level we would just go on and win the game. Instead we made yet another mistake in defending and gave the ball to the best striker in the world right now, great job, good night.
As a nation we place far too much emphasis on players as individuals, the hype around Rooney before this game was absolutely ridiculous. Whether he plays or not is totally irrelevant because the team is not built around him. What happened instead was Hodgson played the exact same team which to be fair worked a little but he was playing the same problematic team with the EXACT SAME WEAKNESSES. Those weaknesses were exposed time and time again and I'm sorry but the blame lays firmly with the poor defensive performance and finally the manager. It does not lie with the attack, the referee, the passion, the weather or any other pathetic excuse.
If we want to have any chance in these competitions we need to sort out what this team NEEDS rather than who is going to get us more goals. We have got it right at City where every position is scrutinised, hell holistic is the word. Going forward, England seriously need to address how we can defend better and stop obsessing over passionate performances or any of the other bullshit. We were shite because 75% of the team is not good enough to win things at that level. Look at the number of players in that team who have recent European experience-
Hart-yes Cahill-yes Jagielka-no Johnson-no Baines-no Gerrard-no Henderson-no Welbeck-yes, Rooney-yes, Sturridge-no Sterling-no
That is only 4 players in yesterdays England team which has recent EUROPEAN experience, how the hell can we expect to get any kind of result on a world stage when over 50% of the team has barely played in Europe I do not know.
Danamy
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blueinsa said:Markt85 said:were a nation of moaners.
No mate, we are a nation of realists, sick and tired of the brand, "team fucking England".
No fucker expects us to win the world cup every 4 years but compete, given we have a pool of players plying their trades in the greatest domestic league in the world, fucking right we do and we expect to have a management team that has the balls to pick the best 11 players to make the best team, regardless of names and clubs represented.
Last nights fantasy 11 of Liverpool/Rags/Everton did fuck all apart from appease a few hundred thousand plastics, mostly sat round tv sets down sarf!
If Twitcher was in charge none of this would've happened? ;-)
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Danamy said:blueinsa said:Markt85 said:were a nation of moaners.
No mate, we are a nation of realists, sick and tired of the brand, "team fucking England".
No fucker expects us to win the world cup every 4 years but compete, given we have a pool of players plying their trades in the greatest domestic league in the world, fucking right we do and we expect to have a management team that has the balls to pick the best 11 players to make the best team, regardless of names and clubs represented.
Last nights fantasy 11 of Liverpool/Rags/Everton did fuck all apart from appease a few hundred thousand plastics, mostly sat round tv sets down sarf!
If Twitcher was in charge none of this would've happened? ;-)
Pearce is next in line isn't he or Southgate?
Oh the joys.... ;-)
prestonibbo_mcfc
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inbetween said:Not feeling disappointed at all, this for me was completely expected. To be fair to us, playing Italy and Uruguay is the type of fixture you'd expect to have in the latter stages. What will annoy everyone and what is so pathetic is the manner in which we have capitulated. Everyone said we played well against Italy but we DIDN'T, the attitude is summed up by the clowns at ITV who at half time are appraising England's performance and specifically our attack whilst we are 1-0 DOWN???
I felt sorry for Shrek because he has a ridiculous amount of pressure placed unfairly on his shoulders when he isn't the reason we are out, neither is passion, neither is poor attitude. To be fair to Rooney he has 1 assist and a goal to his name, better than anyone else in the squad. We are out because as a nation we do not focus on playing the complete football game. We focus on getting results, we focus on scoring, on strikers, on wingers, on attacking midfielders. We do not focus on having a half decent defence, a half decent midfield. Would anyone in England have taken a 0-0 draw with the positive being we defended valiantly, would they bollocks!!! That is the problem.
Look at Gerrard yesterday, he made the biggest cock up of the year to put through Suarez. Is he being slated though? Of course he isn't because we will all go back to slating the WRONG areas and then if we can't find an obvious area to slag off in attack we will instead slag their lack of passion, it's pathetic.
As an attacking force we did more than enough against Italy, we did more than enough against Uruguay to get a draw and that would have put us in a good place going into the next game against the relatively easier team. Instead because of this obsession with going for the jugular, going for the win, going for destiny we then forgot to defend against WORLD CLASS strikers and opposition and then lose the game. It was exactly the same against Italy and the warning signs were there, we scored a goal to get back against Italy and it was like we would go on and win it. Italy though probably just thought oh well we will just be calm and take our time to get a second goal and guess what happened, they did.
The second we scored to make it 1-1, why wasn't Hodgson throwing on Milner to help Gerrard and Henderson who got absolutely torn apart at times. Why wasn't there a signal that said, okay there is 15 minutes to go and we have just given ourselves a lifeline, lets make sure we aren't going home. Instead we frantically panicked searching for a winner and Suarez just needed ONE single chance and bang we are on our way home. The tactical attitude is all wrong and it's the same reason Liverpool didn't win the league last year. Too obsessed with destiny, passion and being so naive to think that at this level we would just go on and win the game. Instead we made yet another mistake in defending and gave the ball to the best striker in the world right now, great job, good night.
As a nation we place far too much emphasis on players as individuals, the hype around Rooney before this game was absolutely ridiculous. Whether he plays or not is totally irrelevant because the team is not built around him. What happened instead was Hodgson played the exact same team which to be fair worked a little but he was playing the same problematic team with the EXACT SAME WEAKNESSES. Those weaknesses were exposed time and time again and I'm sorry but the blame lays firmly with the poor defensive performance and finally the manager. It does not lie with the attack, the referee, the passion, the weather or any other pathetic excuse.
If we want to have any chance in these competitions we need to sort out what this team NEEDS rather than who is going to get us more goals. We have got it right at City where every position is scrutinised, hell holistic is the word. Going forward, England seriously need to address how we can defend better and stop obsessing over passionate performances or any of the other bullshit. We were shite because 75% of the team is not good enough to win things at that level. Look at the number of players in that team who have recent European experience-
Hart-yes Cahill-yes Jagielka-no Johnson-no Baines-no Gerrard-no Henderson-no Welbeck-yes, Rooney-yes, Sturridge-no Sterling-no
That is only 4 players in yesterdays England team which has recent EUROPEAN experience, how the hell can we expect to get any kind of result on a world stage when over 50% of the team has barely played in Europe I do not know.
Good post.