English are 'anti-semitic'

BimboBob said:
Call me thick if you want but exactly why does a religion need it's own country? Why can't they just blend in with everyone else like the Muslims have done?

Good point Sir Bob, 2 key words there. Now where did I put my Kenwood?
 
lloydie said:
It would appear that to not support Israeli actions uncritically, whilst not in itself anti-semitic means that you're a dupe to the Arab and Palestinian propaganda. Every Israeli action, however barbaric, however inhumane, and however illegally it flies in the face of international agreements or opinion is justified by historical circumstance or Palestinian intransigence. To suggest otherwise will be met by a cloud of obfuscation and irrelevance. Israel has proved itself to be a terrorist state and until it can be forced to accept a just settlement it will continue to do just as it pleases, which is to treat the Palestinians as less than Human.

We need to understand that a lot of the Israeli over reaction needs to be put in the context of the aftermath of the holocoast. However I think you will find that one of the reasons that Israel sees it self as being entitled undertake such actions is that they consider the Palestinians as less than human. Members of the Knesset regularly refer to them as cockroaches. There is also scripture that permits such treatment: Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

By the way if our Muslim owners sign Gai Assulin as I hope, hopefully this will put paid to some of the views of Muslims and Jews having to always be at loggerheads. Historically or at least pre 1947 they shared very good relations and infact the Arabs regularly saved the Jews persecuted by Europe.
 
eagle said:
We need to understand that a lot of the Israeli over reaction needs to be put in the context of the aftermath of the holocoast. However I think you will find that one of the reasons that Israel sees it self as being entitled undertake such actions is that they consider the Palestinians as less than human. Members of the Knesset regularly refer to them as cockroaches. There is also scripture that permits such treatment: Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
You need to stop reading AryanNation.com eagle.

Some Jews undoubtedly consider Arabs as less than human but they are a small minority in the same way that some British people are completely anti-semitic but the majority aren't. Selectively quoting a 3,000 year old line from a scripture taken out of context doesn't prove anything. We could all find lines from various religious texts that "prove" things.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
eagle said:
We need to understand that a lot of the Israeli over reaction needs to be put in the context of the aftermath of the holocoast. However I think you will find that one of the reasons that Israel sees it self as being entitled undertake such actions is that they consider the Palestinians as less than human. Members of the Knesset regularly refer to them as cockroaches. There is also scripture that permits such treatment: Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
You need to stop reading AryanNation.com eagle.

Some Jews undoubtedly consider Arabs as less than human but they are a small minority in the same way that some British people are completely anti-semitic but the majority aren't. Selectively quoting a 3,000 year old line from a scripture taken out of context doesn't prove anything. We could all find lines from various religious texts that "prove" things.

Sounds like a fun game...i'll start...

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".

Utter rubbish...unless you have one of those blender type things.
 
eagle said:
By the way if our Muslim owners sign Gai Assulin as I hope, hopefully this will put paid to some of the views of Muslims and Jews having to always be at loggerheads. Historically or at least pre 1947 they shared very good relations and infact the Arabs regularly saved the Jews persecuted by Europe.
Pretty well agree with that. In many places they still get on fine because their culture & ethos is very similar. As we've said before, the problem is politics not people, with leaders on both sides too ready to pander to extremists.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
eagle said:
By the way if our Muslim owners sign Gai Assulin as I hope, hopefully this will put paid to some of the views of Muslims and Jews having to always be at loggerheads. Historically or at least pre 1947 they shared very good relations and infact the Arabs regularly saved the Jews persecuted by Europe.
Pretty well agree with that. In many places they still get on fine because their culture & ethos is very similar. As we've said before, the problem is politics not people, with leaders on both sides too ready to pander to extremists.

Point taken about Sanhedrin 57a. Similar quotes can be found in any religion and I believe that we have to be very careful about giving potential fuel to the rising of true ant-Semitism which always seems to raise its ugly head through history with dreadful consequences. I just wanted to illustrate that the way that zionists demonise Arabs, when it was or is done the other way round it was/would be unacceptable.

If you exchanges the words Arab/Muslim and Jew in the Shimon Peres article it would rightly be viewed as anti Semitic, but when done by a leading Israeli politician that is OK and barely goes uncriticized. This pattern is repeated in the established media.
 
eagle said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Pretty well agree with that. In many places they still get on fine because their culture & ethos is very similar. As we've said before, the problem is politics not people, with leaders on both sides too ready to pander to extremists.

Point taken about Sanhedrin 57a. Similar quotes can be found in any religion and I believe that we have to be very careful about giving potential fuel to the rising of true ant-Semitism which always seems to raise its ugly head through history with dreadful consequences. I just wanted to illustrate that the way that zionists demonise Arabs, when it was or is done the other way round it was/would be unacceptable.

If you exchanges the words Arab/Muslim and Jew in the Shimon Peres article it would rightly be viewed as anti Semitic, but when done by a leading Israeli politician that is OK and barely goes uncriticized. This pattern is repeated in the established media.
Peres got a lot of criticism for what he said, including from Jews in Britain & Israel.
 

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