English Histree

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I'm on about micheal wood,wythenshawe born !
btw
i work with a guy 65, afro carib,moss side born and bred who is a rag,knows all the local afro carib blues,francis's etc

Wiki sez he was born in Moss Side, moved up in the world to the only posh house, it appears, in Wythenshawe. I think it was only considered posh 'cos all the glazing was intact and they had a front door!

 

[urban genie]

I had to drop history in my options because it clashed with technical drawing. I always hated having to make that decision as I was top of the class in both. I remember doing, in years 1 to 3, the Tudors and Stuarts, the Great War and the Romans (found that last one a bit boring to be honest - probably because we did it, and the Normans, at primary school) . Can't remember doing WWII, though.

In my last 2 years I had to drop 2 from either french, german or typewriting.

I chose typewriting (only lad that did) mainly because I had no interest in the french and our german teacher was a pervert.

Glad I did though as when computers started to appear in my work years later no fucker could type very well or fast, so I had an advantage.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Yes I’m very interested in the history and, especially, the genealogy of it all.

Geneology/DNA tests that a lot of people are having these days are showing that there’s a lot of Brythonic DNA in what we thought were “English” people.

When you look at our area here in the North West of “England”, we were never really settled by the Angles or Saxons (or Jutes or Frisians):

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And looking at the DNA of the modern British population:
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It pretty much mirrors the Brythonic/Anglo-Saxon split around 600CE:
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In the North West, the Brythonic population didn’t all just up and move to “Wales”, they stayed put and were just engulfed into what became “England” while keeping their/our DNA.

And even in areas with stronger Angle Saxon Jute or Frisian DNA, they show to have a lot of Brythonic DNA as well. The DNA of Britain is ancient, with just varying degrees of admixture from elsewhere much later on.

This is why I consider myself British rather than “English”, and British before “English”.

Also “Scottish” DNA is more closely related to “English” DNA than North and South “Wales” is to each other. South “Scottish” DNA is more closely related to “English” DNA than it is North “Scottish”, which is considered slightly different to the rest of Great Britain’s DNA, but not enough to fall elsewhere on the below graph. Maybe the Sct DNA is explained in its closeness to NL DNA (graph below) where there is a close similarity between the Orkney vole the the vole of the Low Countries (a type of vole found nowhere else but these two areas), maybe showing there was a lot of ancient travel between the Low Counties and Orkney; or possibly showing the Picts being distinct from the rest of Scotland.
And and “Ireland’s” DNA isn’t much different to British and, as a cluster together, is distinct from the neighbouring mainland European DNA:
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There’s basically no DNA basis on “England” “Scotland” and “Wales” being their own distinct areas, it’s far more fragmented than three and isn’t different enough between all the fragments to be considered distinct. And Ireland is certainly part of the British Isles with similar DNA going back thousands of years, with some admixture (the Brigantes from Britain also had a kingdom in Ireland, for example).

Very interesting post thank you PC

 

[Protein Junkie]

Welsh people seem to have a thing about the English dating back to the Normans but especially Edward 1.
I find that amusing because in reality to me they were still French nobility and probably spoke French and Latin.
I think it was more to do with trying to erase the culture.Wales doesn’t seem to have the same issue with the Romans.
Wales as a country predates England as does its language on these shores.They used to speak Welsh/Brythonic in lowland Scotland.
Even as far as Aberdeen (mouth of the Dee) the language is apparent.
Anyway I blame the Vikings who mutated into the Normans.

 

[Magicpole]

I was born in Birmingham

You lying ****. Nobody from Birmingham can spell it's name. Caught. :)

 

[City Hobgoblin]

English migration into Wales during the expansion of mining and industry also gave the Welsh a lot of their cultural identity - chapel, a love of sports, although it also tipped the balance for the language. Many South Wales people can find their roots in Shropshire, Wiltshire etc only a few generations back.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I wonder what England would have been like if the Normans didn't beat us? The lucky bastards that they are.

Probably pretty much the same, the vast majority were of Anglo Saxon stock
at the time of the conquest. The Normans became the rulers, but were not really interested in mixing, they were overlords who tended to stay within their own group.
Just like we lord it over the Rags, we were lorded over by the Normans, we shag the odd Rag female, but no way do we accept them as equals or afford them any courtesy or any of that nonsense.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Reading around this just discovered that the name Farage arrived in Britain when Huguenot asylum seekers crossed the channel.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This one looks fun:

I've not read this one, but I've heard it's good...

Might be worth a look.

 

[oman0115]

Started watching the last kingdom in Netflix last night, not sure it's totally accurate but is definitely a good watch