Enough is enough

excellent post, very well put and your arguements for and against are amazing! you are correct, it has to be said! i do disagree about what you said about the word "jealous". I think teams now are jealous, talking about putting caps on transfers and only letting players get a set wage, its ridiculous! "city are going to ruin football" haha makes me laugh. i think the word " jealous" is the perfect word to sum up the other premiership teams
 
I agree with you completely johnmoddocksaxe. There is a very real danger of becoming self obsessed with a 'everyone is against us' attitude. In my copy i attempted to counter the arguments - quite legitimately made - of people regarding city without adopting this attitude. Yes this was to be expected but in the interests of debate then why not counter that argument? i think the whole issue is a very interesting one and one which should be debated. I work for a newspaper and we get supporters criticising us of being biased from all teams even though we aren't - it goes with the territory.
 
Excellent post. As someone has already stated , we appeared to be everyones second team and well liked, until we became a threat
 
Please mention in it that the Italians & Spanish started hiking transfer prices, for example:

Top 10 Overall Transfers

1. Zinedine Zidane: Juventus to Real Madrid - £45.62m (2001)
2. Luis Figo: Barcelona to Real Madrid - £37m (2000)
3. Hernan Crespo: Parma to Lazio - £35.5m (2000)
4. Gianluigi Buffon: Parma to Juventus - £32.6m (2001)
5. Robinho: Real Madrid to Manchester City - £32.5m (2008)
6. Christian Vieri: Lazio to Inter - £32m (1999)
7. Dimitar Berbatov: Tottenham to Manchester United - £30.75m (2008
8. Andriy Shevchenko: AC Milan to Chelsea - £30m (2006)
9. Rio Ferdinand: Leeds to Manchester United - £29.1m (2002)
10. Gaizka Mendieta: Valencia to Lazio - £29m (2001)
 
That Crook Whelan bought Chris Radlinski a house for £220,000 and sold it to him for a pound to get round the salary cap in rugby league... Along with signing Stuart Fielden to ensure they stay in superleague knowing full well they would breech the cap and stay up...

Great article.. it inspired me to join and post a response, the negitivity that has been spewed out over the last 2 days by the written media has been disgusting and completely dis-respectful
 
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Oh, and the mad rush to castigate every article that dares to question City or the 'good of the game' whilst praising every single article that is pro City as 'brilliant' 'superbly written' etc, is embarrassing and top class RAG esque paranoid behaviour

Do you enjoy football, bluemoon, etc.?

You seem incredibly unhappy and often come across like a headmaster lecturing his students during morning assembly...
 
More absolute drivel from that rag arse paper the mirror.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/columnists/ian-winwood/2009/01/16/why-manchester-city-s-world-record-kaka-bid-is-terrbile-news-for-the-game-115875-21045871/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/columnist ... -21045871/</a>
 
Hey Philip,

Great post. I'm a reporter in Ireland, thakfully not soccer. I've been appalled by the media coverage of the whole Kaka thing. The inaccuracy and bias have been ridiculous.

Mick O'Toole
 
Part of the problem with the coverage is the arrival of 24 hour rolling news. In past you would at the most have hourly bulletins on the television or radio but now it is constant. Previously reporters would use the time off air to go and get the facts and research the developments. Nowadays there isn't time to do that because the news has to be instantaneous and there is so much pressure to be the first to report the latest breaking information. The problem with this is that if a news agency gets it wrong many other news agencies take that information as correct and the innaccuracies spread like wildfire in kind of media game of chinese whispers.
 
wireblue said:
I am a Manchester City supporter and professional journalist ( i won't say what publication but it isn't the MEN) and i have been left appalled by the criticism levelled at our club this week.
The things that have been said this week have been misinformed and unwarranted.
Therefore i have written the following piece in response and will be posting it anywhere i can to try and level the playing field and give a balanced opinion of the current situation.
Please feel free to use my copy and post it anywhere you wish:

IT seems the potential transfer of Kaka has divided opinion among football fans more than almost any other issue in the history of the game.
Those opinions seem to differ dramatically depending on which club you support, so from the outset I feel I should state that I am a Manchester City supporter born and bred.
I am a great believer in healthy debates and accepting differing opinions – that’s part of the beauty of our wonderful game – but some of the criticism levelled at Manchester City in the past few days has been hypocritical and xenophobic.
Apparently spending £107million on one player is ‘bad for the game’. Well it is all very well making this statement but as yet I have yet to hear anyone back it up with a credible argument.
I would like someone to explain how having arguably the best player on the planet playing in the premiership is bad for football in this country.
And if by signing that player it opens up the possibility for another club to achieve success in the division how that can also be a bad thing.
Now here comes the hypocracy.
Name almost any club in the Premiership and I could tell you something they have done that is ‘bad for the game’.
Is having a foreign owner come along and, overnight, plunge a club into hundreds of millions of pounds of debt good for the game? Well that’s exactly what Manchester United and Liverpool did. At least Manchester City are completely debt free.
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan stated yesterday that this transfer will ‘rip the soul out of football’. I would argue that charging extortionate prices to away fans at the JJB Stadium rips the heart and soul out of the game. And as an aside Dave Whelan is the same man who, in his position at Wigan Warriors, has consistently broken the rugby league salary cap year after year.
Much of the heart and soul was ripped out of the game a long time ago (possibly around the time Sky took over and 3pm Saturday kick offs were consigned to history).
Arsene Wenger yesterday stated there will be a ‘disturbance’ in the transfer market, but he is way wide of the mark.
Manchester City are unique and the Kaka transfer is unique. What West Ham would charge Manchester City for a player will be different to what they charge Tottenham but that is the problem of Manchester City and their decision if they choose to pay it.
People are saying that Kaka will only be coming to Manchester City for the money and that he doesn’t really ‘love’ the club.
Well does Berbatov ‘love’ Manchester United and does Febregas ‘love’ arsenal? Let’s get real. Robinho doesn’t ‘love’ Manchester City but he loves us as much as any other player in the Premiership 'loves' their club.
If City can convince Kaka that they can win the Premiership in three years then you may well see him wearing sky blue in the very near future and he wouldn’t be wearing it just for the money.
Possibly the root of these wild accusations is that the money being spent is not that of an Englishman but of a faceless Sheik (described by Mr Whelan as ‘some Arab fella’) from a part of the world many have little understanding of.
But in 2009 should it not be possible for someone to buy a football club regardless of their race, religion or gender? His money is as good as anyone else’s – the problem only arises because he has more than anyone else.
The money being spent is his own personal wealth and he can do with it whatever he chooses within the confines of the law.
Would you tell someone that they couldn’t buy a car because they are paying too much for it? He is not spending the supporters’ money or even television rights money – it is his own cash.
And I have also heard ludicrous suggestions that £107million pounds could build two hospitals. Could anyone tell me why an Abu Dhabi Sheik should have to pay for two hospitals? If anyone could possibly use this argument it would be the people of Abu Dhabi. And for the record he does give very generously to many charities.
There is also the argument that City could buy four £20million players and build the team. Again the uniqueness of the situation has misled people. The fact is that Manchester City don’t just have £100million in the bank – they will buy Kaka as well as four other players and many more in the future.
Many comments have been made regarding Mark Hughes and how he has been undermined by this transfer and that he has had no part to play in the negotiations.
This is grossly unfair.
It is not the job of the modern manager to take part in negotiations other than to speak with the player once a fee has been agreed.
All a manager does at any club is identify a player he would like and ask the club’s hierarchy to purchase him – this transfer is no different to any other.
But all of this is in many ways immaterial because, no matter what anyone says, Manchester City will continue to spend huge amounts of money.
So if you are one those people who don’t agree with it you will just have to learn to live with it.
I am reluctant to use the term ‘jealousy’ because it is such an easy and perhaps childish accusation to throw around.
But judging by the backlash from the Kaka transfer there are many people within the game and sections of the media who are feeling very uneasy about the future.
But I feel assured in the fact that none of this criticism will be giving our owner, or our supporters, any sleepless nights.

Philip Hennessey
Not my cuppa as an article or as a piece of journalism but what great points Phil makes! I've said elsewhere that the toss-pots that feel they have the right to comment on City should look inward.

Elsewhere on this site, and I will find and credit the poster sooner or later, someone said that 500k IS ridiculous for a man to kick around a football. But so is 100k, or 50k or even 10k! Football money is out of control but is this really the fault of MCFC? I personally think not.
 
BillyShears said:
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Oh, and the mad rush to castigate every article that dares to question City or the 'good of the game' whilst praising every single article that is pro City as 'brilliant' 'superbly written' etc, is embarrassing and top class RAG esque paranoid behaviour

Do you enjoy football, bluemoon, etc.?

You seem incredibly unhappy and often come across like a headmaster lecturing his students during morning assembly...

Because I choose to take a different view on things like this, Thaksin, etc? What a strange view.

Would it be justified for me to say that those who are desperate to convince themselves that everything that their club is also 100% correct and that people are always picking on them must be 'unhappy' as they have to project their own aspertions and happiness onto everything connected with the club?

I don't know. I'm not too concerned with throwing about daft accusations about people being 'happy' or trying to suggest people might have issues for taking anything other than the standard view. I think I'm too happy and content with myself to do that.

As for enjoying football, I would put my 'enjoyment' of it, knowledge of it and length of time studying it up against most people but I'd rather address the point at hand than get into a cock measuring competition.

There's also plenty of aspects of it that I don't enjoy, many of which I hve commented on on here. I appreciate that this is not 'the done thing' but if we are going to disagree with that let's get to something more advanced than 'you don't react like a 5 year old to everything, you must be about to top yourself'.
 
wireblue said:
Part of the problem with the coverage is the arrival of 24 hour rolling news. In past you would at the most have hourly bulletins on the television or radio but now it is constant. Previously reporters would use the time off air to go and get the facts and research the developments. Nowadays there isn't time to do that because the news has to be instantaneous and there is so much pressure to be the first to report the latest breaking information. The problem with this is that if a news agency gets it wrong many other news agencies take that information as correct and the innaccuracies spread like wildfire in kind of media game of chinese whispers.


That's true. It's also why you get so many different, often uneducated bout what they are saying, voices commenting on issues. Space has to be filled regardless so lets get any talking head to comment. SOme of the people picking up money for tlking about something they know little about are scandalous. Ex pros are the worst for this mainly and some are so lazy it's untrue.
 
Excellent post.I get the impression if it was one of the top four making this signing it would be a show of
strength ,a raising of the bar in their quest for domination,but if we have the audacity to even attempt to
compete with and overhaul the status quo we are vulgar and somehow breaking the rules.
I find a lot of the criticism to be very spiteful and over the top,with sly digs at city.
I really cannot believe this would be the case with any of the aforementioned top four.
 
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Because I choose to take a different view on things like this, Thaksin, etc? What a strange view.

Err, no, not at all. Many people have different views on things on bluemoon, but very few of them come across as bitter and unhappy as you do...

Would it be justified for me to say that those who are desperate to convince themselves that everything that their club is also 100% correct and that people are always picking on them must be 'unhappy' as they have to project their own aspertions and happiness onto everything connected with the club?

Again, that's very defensive. I asked you an honest question, apologies if it offended...

I don't know. I'm not too concerned with throwing about daft accusations about people being 'happy' or trying to suggest people might have issues for taking anything other than the standard view. I think I'm too happy and content with myself to do that.

Couple of things...there is no "standard" view...most issues divide football fans. Opinions opinions...but that wasn't the point I was making...

As for enjoying football, I would put my 'enjoyment' of it, knowledge of it and length of time studying it up against most people but I'd rather address the point at hand than get into a cock measuring competition.

To paraphrase you...my cock's huge so I don't have to get into a cock measuring competition...;- )

There's also plenty of aspects of it that I don't enjoy, many of which I hve commented on on here. I appreciate that this is not 'the done thing' but if we are going to disagree with that let's get to something more advanced than 'you don't react like a 5 year old to everything, you must be about to top yourself'.

The vast majority, if not all of the threads you start, are a criticism or an attack on a person, a group of people, or a group of peoples opinions. Which is why I asked the original question...

There's no need to be defensive JMA...I was simply curious as to whether you actually take any enjoyment from contributing to bluemoon and watching football...
 

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