Enough is enough

[Nascent Blues]

It’s more the other way round for me. I mainly find it a brilliant place to live but with pockets of absolute cuntiness that too many people spend too long obsessing over.

For all its faults, I just don’t see the big issues that everyone bangs on about all the time being big enough to affect me from day-to-day. I find that most people I meet are sound, most places are nice, the good things that are going on massively outweigh the shit things.

The only things that really bother me often enough for me to care about them are the roads, traffic, public transport, then litter and graffiti… but they’re mainly Manchester problems because they're not as bad in other places.

I mentioned in another thread recently, that if we all stopped watching the news and reading social media for a month or two… even make it a year… we’d all start noticing all the good stuff much much more.

If you live in an absolute fucking shithole; if you have utter cunts living all around you and you don't have the money to leave; if you know that your own kids are going to spend their formative years surrounded by these cunts and go to school where their classes have kids that continually disrupt their learning, then you can't really do anything else other than be obsessive over it.

 

[hilts]

If you live in an absolute fucking shithole; if you have utter cunts living all around you and you don't have the money to leave; if you know that your own kids are going to spend their formative years surrounded by these cunts and go to school where their classes have kids that continually disrupt their learning, then you can't really do anything else other than be obsessive over it.

And that's the frustration of it all, it doesn't take many to fuck up a lot of peoples lives and cause constant worry. You are right everyone can't escape otherwise we would have towns or cities with a few hundred /thousand cunts in it.

The people who can make change don't live their though. They escaped or were never there to begin with.

 

[Stephen230]

Not sure but it isn’t obviously anything that is happening now as that isn’t working

Ok, I just assumed with you saying that politicians were scared to do what is required, that you had something in mind.

 

[Nascent Blues]

And that's the frustration of it all, it doesn't take many to fuck up a lot of peoples lives and cause constant worry. You are right everyone can't escape otherwise we would have towns or cities with a few hundred /thousand cunts in it.

The people who can make change don't live their though. They escaped or were never there to begin with.

I grew up in a place that was great: people in the surrounding streets knew each other and generally looked out for each other, it was clean and generally litter free, but it started to change around 1990. My mum and dad still live there and it's now a fucking shithole and utterly unrecognisable from my youth. Fortunately, I have managed to escape and live in a pretty nice area, but I'm not gleeful, just sorry that my parents can't do the same.

 

[hilts]

I grew up in a place that was great: people in the surrounding streets knew each other and generally looked out for each other, it was clean and generally litter free, but it started to change around 1990. My mum and dad still live there and it's now a fucking shithole and utterly unrecognisable from my youth. Fortunately, I have managed to escape and live in a pretty nice area, but I'm not gleeful, just sorry that my parents can't do the same.

It's why people will pay daft money for a decent house and school in a nicer area. I was born in Gorton it obviously was nothing special hell it was pretty rough I guess but only up to a point.

Once you have kids though things change you can see how things are going. I made myself skint just to make life a bit better for my lad. Happens all over the world probably l.

 

[Bluemanc100]

He was talking about freedom of movement.

Fair enough

 

[Bluemanc100]

It’s more the other way round for me. I mainly find it a brilliant place to live but with pockets of absolute cuntiness that too many people spend too long obsessing over.

For all its faults, I just don’t see the big issues that everyone bangs on about all the time being big enough to affect me from day-to-day. I find that most people I meet are sound, most places are nice, the good things that are going on massively outweigh the shit things.

The only things that really bother me often enough for me to care about them are the roads, traffic, public transport, then litter and graffiti… but they’re mainly Manchester problems because they're not as bad in other places.

I mentioned in another thread recently, that if we all stopped watching the news and reading social media for a month or two… even make it a year… we’d all start noticing all the good stuff much much more.

There’s plenty of good stuff but it’s being ruined by the people you allude to.. The great unwashed

Far too many people don’t give a fuck about anybody else.. That’s very unfortunate but it’s a growing trend

 

[MillisleBlue]

And that's the frustration of it all, it doesn't take many to fuck up a lot of peoples lives and cause constant worry. You are right everyone can't escape otherwise we would have towns or cities with a few hundred /thousand cunts in it.

The people who can make change don't live their though. They escaped or were never there to begin with.

Lived for 30+ years on the same council estate and, at one stage, would have known who lived in every house on it. Back in the day, the majority of houses were fortunate enough to have at least one person in FTE - nowt fancy - just ordinary decent working-class people. Nowadays, very few folk there have jobs and are stuck in the poverty trap allowing them to breed like rabbits, bank via the welfare state and park their used Audis and MPVs in the front garden. To paraphrase Billy Connolly, they could redevelop it and build a slum.

Come, Armageddon, come.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Left in 82 and have been back over the last 41 yrs more times than I can remember. Have watched the degeneration of infrastructure, lack of civic pride, and general lack of upkeep gain pace over the years. Travel extensively all across Europe & Asia and Manchester, and England in general, seems to be getting left behind.

That said, once you get away from the urban sprawl, much of England is more beautiful than many, many other places I’ve seen.

Alas, the degeneration discusses in this thread is more about the people, especially the young people, who live in this decrepit country that’s falling apart.

Petty crime in Britain used to be a pandemic. Today, it’s simply getting more serious and dangerous, while spreading younger and younger people over more serious issues.

When I was growing up, a fight was fisticuffs until one of you went down and then it was over. Today, it involves knives and people stomping on the heads of people who are down. It is a disservice to animals to call it animalistic!

Society needs to reorder its priorities.

The hair trigger of 0 to 100 of incivility and anger has to stop.

The “tooling up” of kids (and adults) has to stop. Found with a weapon when arrested? Add on mandatory sentence to whatever you’d otherwise get!

Juvenile offenders should be cleaning up the streets and the roadsides in orange jumpsuits.

We’ve allowed too many things to go relatively unchecked and need to clamp down on them. Make examples of people and you get a reaction , because people finally realize you mean it

 

[Kompany Car]

This brings hopelessness and anger to the masses.

But it isnt the masses. The vast majority of people are good and generally law abiding regardless of age or where they come from. Its a relatively small subgroup of the population who have decided that drugs and violence are the shortcut to money, along with the must have lifestyle that society and corporations have shoved down their throats from birth.

Education has been an enabler for people from poorer backgrounds to move up the pecking order. If your discussion is that the education system is a shambles then i agree. Kids who are highly disruptive should be taught separately from those who are willing to learn, but the funding needs to be in place for this to happen. The families need support to change their behaviour and specialist educational facilities provided to get the kids back on the straight and narrow before bringing them back into the fold.

The whole principle of mixing the good and bad together in the hope that the bad will change their ways and improve is a failed experiment. They tried it with council housing back in the late 80s/90s. Council estates which were perfectly fine were suddenly places to move "troubled families" into. The result was that it dragged the places down rather than reformed the families behaviour.