Epstein / Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor / Maxwell

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LeeJay said:
Remember jimmy savile, the guy who had ties with royalty, showbiz and politics, not to mention the police and the military?

Its been suggested that he procured children for the rich, famous, influential & wealthy - its mostly speculation, admittedly, but his close friendships with prince Charles & prince Philip, not to mention the Thatchers, whose close protection detail would have been extremely aware of his 'activities' given that many at the BBC knew - and yet rather than distance themselves, the royals (Diana included) and the Thatchers drew him in to their world. That he 'fixed it' for people to have access to children is clear. That Epstein fixed it for his 'pals' to have access to underage girls is also becoming clear. Their pals were the rich and the famous, politicians, financiers, high end businessmen, royalty.... The elites.

This pathological hatred of the better off, as you put it, anchors squarely in the attitudes of that elite who act in the most appalling ways.

The huge bonuses gained by bankers, harnessed from political wrangling that sees the poorest suffering in austerity while the rich live high on the hog - political posturing, multi million £ deals, tax dodges & financial rewards for a certain few while the cattle are denied a pension yet forced to fund a rich and lavish lifestyle for the few.... The refurb of Windsor Castle / Buckingham Palace / Prince Harry's gaff, for instance - while everyday folk struggle to pay the mortgage / council tax....

Pathological hatred?

Or just something very fishy with how society is stacked?

Like Savile, Epstien knew and manipulated influential people - people, who, when crossed, or pushed too far, have the wherewithal & manpower to persuade you into a certain way of thinking... 13 months in jail on a plea bargain gave them more than enough time to put people in place to make murder look like suicide & Epstein probably wouldn't see it coming. While he thought he'd done a deal & got off lightly, by pulling strings, the people he was pushing were putting things into place. Its all too convenient.

Have a judge on side to remand him to prison where inmates & or guards have been placed.... Its easy to see how it could be worked. Even concoct a back story of suicide, just to make sure.

End of the day, he's tied to improprieties linking Trump & the Windsors to very damaging charges - and these people have the kind of men in their employ who can make those charges go away.

Dr David Kelly, Lady Diana, even Jill Dando (who had links with investigative research on Savile) and Marilyn Monroe - all had very real intelligence & damaging information that leads to the very top of the elite pyramid, all died in mysterious circumstance that can be easily attributed to shadowy agencies employed by those same elites.

Its not a pathological hatred of those who are richer to see that in those ranks there is a very real sickness for power and control that will stoop to any level to protect itself.

Threatening to expose people like Trump & the Windsors, or having information that compromises them - and then conveniently being in a very small and isolated place - well, you don't have to be a chess grandmaster to see how his situation was manipulated and you don't have to be a mastermind to see how it would play out.

If the elites had clean hands in this, if they were not inexplicably tied to it, then you might be able to call it a conspiracy, label it as hatred or bias but they are in it up to their eyes.
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Very very well said.Take a bow.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
"Everyone knows"...? I beg to differ.There are loads of dumb down Zombies, even on BM who havent got a scooby.....and ,probably..Dont want to Know.
So.i disagree
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Id disagree, and say rather than everyone knows, everyone suspects...

But what we all know, ultimately, is that little will be done or can be done.

And while in life, Epstein's little black book is what kept him safe, in death it was also his undoing.

He takes his info to the grave, and all those who are up to their ears in it breathe a sigh of relief...

And so, rather than get a Scooby people just get on with their own life, deal with their own issues - I think its less about being a zombie but more about what a person can actually do in the face of it.

These people after all are the same people who killed presidents, presidents lovers, a princess and her lover and perhaps countless others to protect their secrets - and its a long way from having a bill to pay or a holiday to book or a parents evening to attend.
 
GOULDYBOBS said:
"They're just people suffering from a sickness and an attraction to money, wealth, power, influence & children... Because when you can have anything & everything then what you don't have is taboo..."

Do you not include Stephen Yaxley-Lennon in this criteria? Does he use an alias for his personal safety, or to cover his criminal past?
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I dont know why tommy is even part of this debate tbf.

He's not raping or procuring children for the rich & famous... He's just a bit player in a complex game of smoke and mirrors.

He didn't expose Epstein because Epstein wasn't on his radar - for his own political reasons.

But, while there are vile monsters like Trump, whose made countless sexual comments about his daughter, who is linked to sexual improprieties like rape of his ex wife & rape of children, an who is still sitting proud on the world stage - I have to wonder why we are discussing a no mark whose in jail?

Incidentally Hillary Clinton has also been linked to rape & child abuse, as have a number of her aides, with links also to ISIS...
 
LeeJay said:
Remember jimmy savile, the guy who had ties with royalty, showbiz and politics, not to mention the police and the military?

Its been suggested that he procured children for the rich, famous, influential & wealthy - its mostly speculation, admittedly, but his close friendships with prince Charles & prince Philip, not to mention the Thatchers, whose close protection detail would have been extremely aware of his 'activities' given that many at the BBC knew - and yet rather than distance themselves, the royals (Diana included) and the Thatchers drew him in to their world. That he 'fixed it' for people to have access to children is clear. That Epstein fixed it for his 'pals' to have access to underage girls is also becoming clear. Their pals were the rich and the famous, politicians, financiers, high end businessmen, royalty.... The elites.

This pathological hatred of the better off, as you put it, anchors squarely in the attitudes of that elite who act in the most appalling ways.

The huge bonuses gained by bankers, harnessed from political wrangling that sees the poorest suffering in austerity while the rich live high on the hog - political posturing, multi million £ deals, tax dodges & financial rewards for a certain few while the cattle are denied a pension yet forced to fund a rich and lavish lifestyle for the few.... The refurb of Windsor Castle / Buckingham Palace / Prince Harry's gaff, for instance - while everyday folk struggle to pay the mortgage / council tax....

Pathological hatred?

Or just something very fishy with how society is stacked?

Like Savile, Epstien knew and manipulated influential people - people, who, when crossed, or pushed too far, have the wherewithal & manpower to persuade you into a certain way of thinking... 13 months in jail on a plea bargain gave them more than enough time to put people in place to make murder look like suicide & Epstein probably wouldn't see it coming. While he thought he'd done a deal & got off lightly, by pulling strings, the people he was pushing were putting things into place. Its all too convenient.

Have a judge on side to remand him to prison where inmates & or guards have been placed.... Its easy to see how it could be worked. Even concoct a back story of suicide, just to make sure.

End of the day, he's tied to improprieties linking Trump & the Windsors to very damaging charges - and these people have the kind of men in their employ who can make those charges go away.

Dr David Kelly, Lady Diana, even Jill Dando (who had links with investigative research on Savile) and Marilyn Monroe - all had very real intelligence & damaging information that leads to the very top of the elite pyramid, all died in mysterious circumstance that can be easily attributed to shadowy agencies employed by those same elites.

Its not a pathological hatred of those who are richer to see that in those ranks there is a very real sickness for power and control that will stoop to any level to protect itself.

Threatening to expose people like Trump & the Windsors, or having information that compromises them - and then conveniently being in a very small and isolated place - well, you don't have to be a chess grandmaster to see how his situation was manipulated and you don't have to be a mastermind to see how it would play out.

If the elites had clean hands in this, if they were not inexplicably tied to it, then you might be able to call it a conspiracy, label it as hatred or bias but they are in it up to their eyes.
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The rest of this thread should just hand its notice in now.
 
LeeJay said:
I dont know why tommy is even part of this debate tbf.

He's not raping or procuring children for the rich & famous... He's just a bit player in a complex game of smoke and mirrors.

He didn't expose Epstein because Epstein wasn't on his radar - for his own political reasons.

But, while there are vile monsters like Trump, whose made countless sexual comments about his daughter, who is linked to sexual improprieties like rape of his ex wife & rape of children, an who is still sitting proud on the world stage - I have to wonder why we are discussing a no mark whose in jail?

Incidentally Hillary Clinton has also been linked to rape & child abuse, as have a number of her aides, with links also to ISIS...
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You’ve got your extra strong tin foil hat on today I see...

Or you might just be barking mad.
 
FlemishDuck said:
It's not reasonable to call a whole group rotten, there have always been plenty of elites who in relative terms were more inclined to do good. But wealth is a form of power and can be used to corrupt, and the poor should certaintly lament when the game is played by other rules ike when it regards serving hard time for crime.

Withought a doubt, there is no better article on this whole matter than that of the Miami herald who exposed it all in 2018 even as Epstein was still running free. Conclusion of it all? Obstruction of justice, harrasment of investigators and witnesses, illegal deals, a meaningless punishment and crooked state attorney's. A man that by all norms should have been jailed for life in 2007 managed to continue in his crime for more than another decade thanks to wealth, connections and corrupted justice. And this was something the Miami herald reported about when Epstein was still on free foot last year, i guess not all US journalism is "fake news".

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.html
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The Miami Herald reporting didn't get the recognition it deserved at the time, but it was pretty much on the mark. The attorney who brokered his deal in 2008 (Alex Acosta), who later went on to serve in the Trump government, must surely now face criminal charges for his part in circumventing the justice system to ensure Epstein got the sweetest of deals for crimes against teenage girls for which average citizens would be locked up for a very long time.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The Miami Herald reporting didn't get the recognition it deserved at the time, but it was pretty much on the mark. The attorney who brokered his deal in 2008 (Alex Acosta), who later went on to serve in the Trump government, must surely now face criminal charges for his part in circumventing the justice system to ensure Epstein got the sweetest of deals for crimes against teenage girls for which average citizens would be locked up for a very long time.
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Also then palm beach state attorney Barry Kricher, although its just the beginning of a list of heads to roll.


In May 2006, Recarey drew up probable cause affidavits, charging Epstein, two of his assistants and one recruiter with sex-related crimes. Instead, Krischer took what Recarey said was the unusual step of referring the case to a state grand jury. Epstein was indicted in state court on a minor charge of solicitation of prostitution.

Recarey said Krischer told him he didn’t believe Epstein’s accusers, and only two of them were called before the state grand jury investigating the case — even though police had lined up more than a dozen girls and witnesses at that time.

Believing that the case had been tainted, Reiter — that same month, May 2006 — took a very public stance against Krischer, writing a letter, which was released to the news media, calling on Krischer to remove himself from the case. The chief then referred it to the FBI, which opened its own investigation in July 2006, FBI records show.
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So basicly after the investigation Kricher tried to kill it, Reiter went above his head to the fed's who reopened the case but then later Acosta blocked that one too with his illegal plea deal.

But acosta is also a special case in that it seems very suspicious that he managed to make it into Trump's cabinet when already questions had been raised about how he handled the Epstein case.
 
FlemishDuck said:
How does this tie in to "hatred of the rich" and "jewish conspiracy's" as you mentioned? The Italian mob was not a conspiracy by Italy as a whole neither, but there were quite a few jewish mobsters running around in NY and miami at the time often doing the more shady finances of the Italian mob.

Acosta supposedly had to drop his 2008 case into a favourable settlement because allegedly "Epstein was intelligence". Somehow he seems to have been also somewhat connected to the Iran-contra affair.

But admittingly: the links i posted imho like the article of the Miami herald provide very valuable information that can be verified. That Epstein could have had connections with the maffia or Mossad is more of my own theorising given that i wondered how he could have risen so fast.
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exactly the problem with your posts imo.
 
LeeJay said:
Well tbf, when you're discussing an extremely wealthy financier who has on his books a list of some of the worlds most wealthy people who have ties with Israel, and who himself has ties with Israeli and Saudi £, then you are bound to see connections with mossad.

I'd day that's fairly reasonable.

It doesn't necessarily make it a Jewish conspiracy, but it does make it a conspiracy with Israeli connections - the purpose of those connections may be a matter of contention, certainly, but you can't simply ignore them for fear of causing offence... Just as you cant label them as offensive, or questionable so as to quieten them.

If those connections are spurious or Ill informed then rip them a new one.... But if a connection to shadowy organisations exists it just highlights how deep things go into the murky world of secret services and hidden agendas?
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as the poster has admitted, he was making assumptions to reach a certain conclusion, so regardless of whether you think it's legitimate to raise questions around certain links, I think it certainly requires a much lighter touch sticking to established facts and links rather "well he had links to A - therefore I'll assume B-C-D-E all fit into place like this and bingo, this is how my theory stands up", when it doesn't and in light of recent controversies in this area, leaves one open to unwelcome scrutiny of the leaps they've made.
 
FlemishDuck said:
Also then palm beach state attorney Barry Kricher, although its just the beginning of a list of heads to roll.



So basicly after the investigation Kricher tried to kill it, Reiter went above his head to the fed's who reopened the case but then later Acosta blocked that one too with his illegal plea deal.

But acosta is also a special case in that it seems very suspicious that he managed to make it into Trump's cabinet when already questions had been raised about how he handled the Epstein case.
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Not suspicious at all. It's just a classic back slap favour. Acosta did the job for one of Trump's best friends, and Trump returned the favour by giving Acosta a high profile job in the cabinet.

The fact that Trump has now distanced himself from Epstein doesn't change anything. It's just one massively corrupt network of rich, privileged men who are either covering for each other or stabbing each other in the back for their own personal gain.
 
The world is pure evil as are the elites that control it.
Also extremely disappointing that people here are turning pedapholia into a point scoring exercise for their 'political teams'
 
BJL_City said:
exactly the problem with your posts imo.
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I see nothing (ethicaly or in terms of rules) wrong with me speculating on this forum, the only way you would have a point is if you could show that i would be presenting something as fact which i was purely speculating about, or if the nature of the speculation would be "morally wrong" in some arguable way.

No youre problem is that you think it's up to you to make unneeded superficial judgements so that you can present yourself as "the voice of reason" withough really adding anything to the debate beyond trying to dismiss people for engaging in a particular way. In fact, a way that seems suggestive of attributig anti-elite and even anti-semetic sentiments to a poster. Surely you could have simply scrutinised the substance and see how much i either presented things as fact or purely as my own speculation but you rather saw it oportune to jump to a dismissive judgement withought substance. Furthermore you took the opportunity to take an unwarranted uncalled for off-topic dig at the labor party, which more seems to betray youre own agenda which is part of "whats wrong with youre post".


Some added news on the case
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...s-morning-of-death/ar-AAFEfZY?ocid=spartanntp

It appears that at the time of Epsteins suicide the prison was understaffed with a number of people working overtime.

and:
https://www.newser.com/story/279012/epsteins-prison-safeguards-had-been-removed.html

It also appears that Epstein had a celmate which had been promised to him, but the celmate was taken out the cell a few days before.

He was to bunk with a cellmate in a special housing unit and receive a check from a guard every 30 minutes. But the Times' sources say that cellmate had recently been moved, and the guard checks didn't occur the night before Epstein's apparent suicide.
 
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