Erling Haaland

[skillman]

Read again, that’s not what I said. I think he would be earning the same at Madrid, PSG and United — but that’s about it.


So just out of curiosity, would you say we would have “broken a financial structure” like you said if we had signed Messi two summers ago like we wanted (or even this past summer)? I don’t think you are breaking financial structure if, like Tolm has demonstrated, you have already freed up enough through off-loading players; it’s smartly relocating.


Again, I can’t agree with this when we are paying 400k for a midfielder. We pay KdB more than Bayern pays Lewandowski. We welcomed Grealish giving him our second highest wages. The reason we don’t pay what PSG pays for Neymar and Messi for instance is not because we don’t want to pay that, but because we don’t have those players in the squad. The Sanchez example for me doesn’t work because ultimately it was clear the situation was verging on ridiculous.

I do agree with you that it’s possible we involve Puma and “creative solutions” to get this done and it could maybe mean him arriving with a public announcement that he would be making same or just a little over KdB whereas in reality we know it would be more.

Sign Messi and yes, breaking financial structure, but it’s possibly the greatest player of all time joining your club. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want him here just like I want Haaland to desperately be here but being realistic about the impact financially. As you have said (referencing Tolm), we have the money there - 100% - which is what I said on my original post but that doesn’t mean we’ll give it all up because it’s available.

KDB is on more than Lewandowski because Bayern have their own wage structure, you’d safely assume. His agent would be all over Bayern asking for more if he thought he could get it because the market dictates he ‘should’ be on more. The Neymar point I can agree with, we don’t want those players in the squad (assuming you meant personalities) but Messi, we did want him in 2020 so I can’t get on board with that.

For your first point, you said “He already makes a lot of money, more than he would be making at most top clubs for the same contribution.” so I can’t agree with your first point in the above post of you saying he’d be on the same at other top clubs.

 

[domalino]

The 3:50 mark:

Those two are hilarious together.

 

[domalino]

£500k/w is not much of a reach.

£25m signing bonus and parity with KDB and thats your 500k a week.

People just need to realise that the €75m clause wasn't put there to save Haalands new club money, it was to make the Haalands and Mino a fortune. His new club are going to pay £120m or so like you'd expect for a world class striker and the players side are pocketing the difference.

 

[norseblue]

£500k/w is not much of a reach.

£25m signing bonus and parity with KDB and thats your 500k a week.

People just need to realise that the €75m clause wasn't put there to save Haalands new club money, it was to make the Haalands and Mino a fortune. His new club are going to pay £120m or so like you'd expect for a world class striker and the players side are pocketing the difference.

Spot on !

 

[eastmanc]

The main target of a club/an organization is having a good team, not just a good player.
And to have a good team, we need to treat people fairly in terms of capability and contribution.

So if we pay him 500K, we have to treat other like KDB, Foden, Grealish, Mahrez, Rodri, Ruben Dias, etc... somewhere around that, that's the only way to treate people fairly. So the actually cost is not just 200K difference (300K -> 500K as you said) for one player, it's the 200K difference for each of team members.

And even with 300K for Haaland, I wonder whether it's fair for Foden who is negotiating with 150K. If I'm Foden and knowing that the club is paying Haaland 300K, hell, I'll ask 250K at least. Or are we saying Haaland is twice better or will contribute twice what Foden is doing now in multiple positions, or even twice experience?

It's the same in our working environment, right?

Of courses, those are just rough numbers, but the idea is still the same.

City have said many times that they don’t want to break our wage structure, it’s the reason we didn’t sign Sanchez and why he went to united. Hopefully we could work something out with Haaland and we can sign him.

 

[Marvin]

He isn’t “demanding”, that is the price the market has set. It’s not an isolated deal, it’s a price set by the context of other players, other deals etc. What I have tried to explain by quoting the Lukaku situation is showing that this happens. You had Kante as their player receiving the most there at Chelsea, the things you can say about him you could say about Kevin as well, but when the player who is supposed to score the most goals for them arrives, he will be receiving the most. Like I said previously, and unlike what some think, this isn’t Raiola making a crazy demand out of the blue; any other agent would be asking the same.

Right now at Real Madrid, Bale earns the biggest wage there, but his contract expires at the end of this season. So after this current season, the best paid player in their squad will be Eden Hazard who earns literally the same money KdB makes at our club. Mbappe, who everyone knows will go there next season, will certainly arrive there being their best paid player at 23. It’s the same situation. These things work like this everywhere.

I don’t understand why people here seem to believe there is an unspoken rule that Kevin will always be our highest earner. He already makes a lot of money, more than he would be making at most top clubs for the same contribution. However it is a nature of the game that he doesn’t score more goals than any of our other player nor decides most matches. So there will be a limitation to what he will earn — though quite a limitation, let’s agree. This is, again, the market speaking. We would have paid Messi more than we pay Kevin for a reason.

Sanchez was 29 when the debacle happened, was never a superstar, frankly was never that great of a player if I’m being honest and had an amateur agent. Clubs know how much Haaland will cost; no one is getting involved to haggle, like you acknowledged. It’s a different scenario altogether

For a period Alexis Sanchez was one of the best players in the Premier League.

 

[feelymcfeel]

That was brilliant.

When Oleks is talking about Ronaldinho being his idol and Kev just drops in a quiet "yeah, I can see the similarities," I almost spat my brew out.

 

[Coatigan]

City have said many times that they don’t want to break our wage structure, it’s the reason we didn’t sign Sanchez and why he went to united. Hopefully we could work something out with Haaland and we can sign him.

Not really. We had wages agreed with sanchez. And a fee for him, his agents, and even arsenal. We let him go on holiday and let arsenal take the time to secure his replacement till the last day of the window. Arsenal's failure to convince his replacement to move there had them pull out last minute, and the move fail.

There was an expectation he would then move here for the same wages but for free the following summer.

Sure, then in the winter window Utd came in with an insane offer of wages and an offer arsenal would accept to not lose him for free. He chose to accept it rather than waiting 6 months to take what was on the table. We wentnfor Mahrez for better value, which again didn't happen till the summer.

Our club were absolutely right not to offer any more than he had previously agreed. But the two are in no way comparable, in the slightest.

Besides, we Have broken our wage structure, many many times, and will continue to do so. Whether it is on Haaland or someone else. It is total kidology that we have some aribtrary set limit across the board. It is done on a player by player, value by value, sogning by signing basis, in the context of that and the next few seasons and overall financial situation. Otherwise the club would not be run professionally and would not be as successful both on or of the pitch if it were any different.

 

[Coatigan]

£500k/w is not much of a reach.

£25m signing bonus and parity with KDB and thats your 500k a week.

People just need to realise that the €75m clause wasn't put there to save Haalands new club money, it was to make the Haalands and Mino a fortune. His new club are going to pay £120m or so like you'd expect for a world class striker and the players side are pocketing the difference.

I agree it wasn't put to save Haaland's club money, obviously. I disagree it was put in to make them a fortune. Which ultimately would only depend on how good he really bacame either way. Might be a side benefit they can use, but the main reason for having a release close has to have been so he can get a move to a big club when he feels ready rather than being priced out of one by a club he went to as a springboard for his career. At a point he had offers from bigger clubs but felt it a premature move.

It was clearly an astute and well made decision, one way or the other, his move to Dortmund and inclusion of a release clause.

 

[nellyonthewing]

For a period Alexis Sanchez was one of the best players in the Premier League.

Fred ,Sanchez, McGuire oh how we can only dream of what might have been....&$£*%£"