Erling Haaland

[bluemoon32]

Timo Werner and Jason Sancho haven’t exactly been banging them in have they?

Maybe not but we'd better buy just players from the top couple of sides in the Premier League then.
Most of them already play for us

 

[samuelyeboah]

if his price was 100m and his salary demands were 300k a week everyone would have jumped on board, even with the agent demands. so who cares if it's 75m and 500k? I just don't get it.

 

[khoitnm]

if his price was 100m and his salary demands were 300k a week everyone would have jumped on board, even with the agent demands. so who cares if it's 75m and 500k? I just don't get it.

The main target of a club/an organization is having a good team, not just a good player.
And to have a good team, we need to treat people fairly in terms of capability and contribution.

So if we pay him 500K, we have to treat other like KDB, Foden, Grealish, Mahrez, Rodri, Ruben Dias, etc... somewhere around that, that's the only way to treate people fairly. So the actually cost is not just 200K difference (300K -> 500K as you said) for one player, it's the 200K difference for each of team members.

And even with 300K for Haaland, I wonder whether it's fair for Foden who is negotiating with 150K. If I'm Foden and knowing that the club is paying Haaland 300K, hell, I'll ask 250K at least. Or are we saying Haaland is twice better or will contribute twice what Foden is doing now in multiple positions, or even twice experience?

It's the same in our working environment, right?

Of courses, those are just rough numbers, but the idea is still the same.

 

[blueparrot]

if his price was 100m and his salary demands were 300k a week everyone would have jumped on board, even with the agent demands. so who cares if it's 75m and 500k? I just don't get it.

I don’t get why any of us care. It only matters what the club care and I guess they have a total package limit that includes fee, agent fees and wages. As long as it fits the clubs budget I don’t care how it’s packaged..

 

[Legal Alien]

What about in the Champions League and international football, does that not count as a further barometer?

Don't get me wrong i would luv Haaland and do think he would take us to another level.

My point is that people, regardless of profession, need to earn their money. If he comes in and starts banging them then i have no problem giving him what he wants.

I said this earlier...

 

[Deleted member 87819]

if his price was 100m and his salary demands were 300k a week everyone would have jumped on board, even with the agent demands. so who cares if it's 75m and 500k? I just don't get it.

People are completely unaware of how the market works. Players who carry around the expectation of scoring by far the most goals in a team are the best paid in a team. Lukaku walked into Chelsea making 450k, which is only 50k less than Haaland, whose marketing potential is far grander, is going to cost. Ronaldo at 36 is making about the same at United. It would be less than Neymar and Messi and around the same as Mbappe (who will probably end up making more at Madrid, actually). This is the market for these players — all of them, btw, like Haaland, are poster boys. Our fans just are not used to having a player like this. All the players I mentioned above are very well liked and sometimes even worshipped within their squads. Players know their own status and of others. Kante has given everything to Chelsea and still understands why Lukaku is going to make more than £100k more than what he makes from the get go. What the Haaland camp is asking for wages wouldn’t be a problem for us, United, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid, it’s an obvious thing, a matter of where he wants to go. No one needs to agree with how the market operates, but these things simply are what they are.

 

[nmc]

Now this makes more sense

Really? No one talks to Mark Ogden - he‘s a complete ‘no mates’

 

[khoitnm]

People are completely unaware of how the market works. Players who carry around the expectation of scoring by far the most goals in a team are the best paid in a team. Lukaku walked into Chelsea making 450k, which is only 50k less than Haaland, whose marketing potential is far grander, is going to cost. Ronaldo at 36 is making about the same at United. It would be less than Neymar and Messi and around the same as Mbappe (who will probably end up making more at Madrid, actually). This is the market for these players — all of them, btw, like Haaland, are poster boys. Our fans just are not used to having a player like this. All the players I mentioned above are very well liked and sometimes even worshipped within their squads. Players know their own status and of others. Kante has given everything to Chelsea and still understands why Lukaku is going to make more than £100k more than what he makes from the get go. What the Haaland camp is asking for wages wouldn’t be a problem for us, United, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid, it’s an obvious thing, a matter of where he wants to go. No one needs to agree with how the market operates, but these things simply are what they are.

Fair enough, I guess "market for these players - all of them" also including our current players. So yeah, KDB, Foden, Ruben Dias, Laporte, Ederson, etc. should aware of that market, they should not ask 300K or something, that's too low compare to the market you are saying (and Foden is negotiating for 150K, unbelievable low).

To clarify, I'm not saying your are wrong with those numbers, but when we are talking about "the market", what exactly we are talking about?

Another thing is I'm happy we didn't sign those players you mentioned with those prices. Bayern also happy to skip them and they are still hugely successful. On the other side, Barca was happy paying those numbers for Messi, Griezman, Frenkie de Jong, etc. and look at them now.

And just to illustrate how a team is much more than a single person: Ajax 4-0 Dortmund with Haaland in Dortmund side. So the whole team structure is much much more important than a single person. And if there's any one single person that is more important a team structure, that person must be able to change and improve that whole structure; so for me only managers/executives/board level can do that, a player level cannot do that (in an effective way).

 

[skillman]

Let’s face it, it’s never been about whether we can afford the figures that have always been banded about for Haaland. We can. It’s just about whether we go against our whole (seemingly) transfer policy and pay it.

Hopefully the club see the value and how perfect the signing is from all angles (City fan, world class, young, we need a striker so he’s guaranteed to walk into the team, release clause etc) and just pay up. His wage demands and agent fees were always going to be high.

The fact we probably knew all this last Summer yet seem to be back in for his this Summer is a promising sign.

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Fair enough, I guess "market for these players - all of them" also including our current players. So yeah, KDB, Foden, Ruben Dias, Laporte, Ederson, etc. should aware of that market, they should not ask 300K or something, that's too low compare to the market you are saying (and Foden is negotiating for 150K, unbelievable low).

To clarify, I'm not saying your are wrong with those numbers, but when we are talking about "the market", what exactly we are talking about?

No my friend, “all of them” meant the ones being mentioned before in the post.
Foden at 150k is not low. Let’s clarify this, because someone earlier was playing this game “oh if Haaland is going to cost this, then Foden should be receiving much more”. Let’s take Chelsea again for a comparison, because I started by comparing their situation in signing Lukaku to what would be ours signing Haaland. The player you can compare Foden to in the Chelsea squad, everyone would agree, is Mason Mount. Well, for starters, Mount has one million more Instagram followers than Foden. His wage at Chelsea right now is under 90k per week. Foden will be making almost double what Mount makes. We all love Foden and for us he is a star, but the reality is, he is one of our most important squad players, but still a squad player. He is not a superstar no matter how proud we are of him. Then you can take Kante, who we can agree in terms of contribution to Chelsea over the years and his position etc, is comparable to KdB in our squad. KdB is making 400k, whereas Kante makes 290k (he was their best paid player until Lukaku). Do you see a pattern? We pay our players better comparatively. Chelsea last summer signed Lukaku to be the guy who will score more goals than anyone in their squad clearly. Like us now, they did not use to have a player incumbent to holding that responsibility. He walked in earning 450k. When/if we sign Haaland, his place in the squad will also to be by far our top goalscorer BUT also our global face. If he gets here making 500k, or whether we arrange a different “smart” package, what we will be doing is the same as Chelsea relatively. And as a reminder, Sam Smith reported not long ago that our offer for Messi the previous summer would make him earn more than what he is earning now at PSG. We are one of the richest clubs in the world and act like it, whether some of our fans want to admit or not