ESPN writer: Mancini is not the man to deliver City's dreams

hgblue said:
Quite accurately reflects how a sizeable minority feel about Mancini. Lets hope we're wrong......
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So let's summarise this accurate reflection of you and your sizeable minority's feelings - DD, PB & the rest (6 all told?)

That Roberto Mancini is defending his position may be seen as the onset of insanity. At Inter, the way he won, and how rapidly Jose Mourinho upstaged him, demonstrates why he should never have been given the City job. Like Mancini, Hughes does not get on with moonlight-fondling, nightclub-dwelling players... he was sacked for cowering against their new peers of United and Chelsea. He could not give Manchester City the mindset that they were a truly important team - something Mancini cannot do now either. Mancini got his promotion to Inter in 2004, few assumed Mancini would be the manager to bring consecutive titles to Inter. They were right - Mancini didn't. Calciopoli's interference gave Inter their first title in 2006 after they had originally finished third in a discredited league. It is hard to treat this as a genuine success.
The punishment of Milan and Juventus meant that Mancini's second album, his scudetto hat-trick, will always have a liner note to discredit it.
Mancini succeeded due to disqualifications and handicaps hobbling his opposition. In Europe, while nobody would have demanded that he win the Champions League to assert himself, it was the manner of defeat that ought to have worried Garry Cook. In 2006-07, Inter lost in the second round against a limited Valencia team, the game ending in slapstick fisticuffs. Sauntering down the tunnel as violence erupted might look cool, but it suggests that Mancini has always had trouble relating to his players.Manchester City have indulged him with Mario Balotelli, a maniac and occasional footballer. He rubber-stamped Adam Johnson, a Marwood 'Buy British' purchase and a rag-week drinker, but who is now already willing to talk up a transfer away. His club captain, Carlos Tevez, sweats stories of unhappiness with football, Manchester and existence. That's Carlos Tevez, club captain, last week shown up by Rafael in an on-field contretemps. He lost to a tactically superior Liverpool in 2007-08, and the failure stained him . Last season, Mancini guided City to fifth, playing functional football. Losing early in Europe so often was due to tactical intransigence. He secured his Italian titles because of his two-year headstart. Seven defenders will never put clear water between a team and its fellow title challengers. Tactical inflexibility is one thing if your players are markedly better than anyone else's, but Mancini plays the same way against both Wolves and Manchester United.Comparisons with Mourinho are unfair on most managers, but they damn Mancini as a tactical coward. Think again of Mancini's progress this year, from fifth to fourth. Mancini's flaws are not his country's, they are his own. Beyond tactics, and with his players, he is sentimentally stunted.
Mancini oftens acts as if he would not even defend his players in a fight. Emotionally he could never have such a relationship with a player, and tactically he is not brave or smart enough to win a Champions League. Right now, he does not look a manager to win a title in a fair fight.

Lies, bias, prejudice, more lies and baseless innuendo - the hallmarks of your clear sighted minority I think
 
Didsbury Dave said:
At the Derby match I was in the players lounge. Mancini was in his office both immedaitely before and after the game. Also, with a few minutes left v Birmingham, he gave up and sat down on the bench. Imagine a player giving up at 0-0.
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a) He stayed in his office because he heard you were there
b) There are no seats on the pitch, your point is moot.

Seriously, Dave? Criticising whether he sits down or not?

This argument always comes down to two main points - that Mancini is aloof with the players, and that he's tactically over defensive. Most of us seem to think that the players should man up a little bit, and that the defensive argument is overstated (we had more shots on target than any team in the league on Saturday, it's a bit of a tabloid-peddled myth subscribed to by the impressionable).

With regard to this article, it's very harsh and a bit sensationalist. Kind of tabloidish.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I do recall Mancini having a square go with Moyes last season.

He's also had spats with Tevez and Ade.

It is bullshit to suggest Mancini does not have the stones to battle, for or against his players.
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I don't think the issue is whether he'll battle them, it's when he can engenger their respect by being seen as being on their side, with them, part of them, their leader.

I can't see Fergie sitting meeting corporate guests in his office two minutes after the derby, or sitting writing at his desk 5 minutes before.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I do recall Mancini having a square go with Moyes last season.

He's also had spats with Tevez and Ade.

It is bullshit to suggest Mancini does not have the stones to battle, for or against his players.
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I don't think the issue is whether he'll battle them, it's when he can engenger their respect by being seen as being on their side, with them, part of them, their leader.

I can't see Fergie sitting meeting corporate guests in his office two minutes after the derby, or sitting writing at his desk 5 minutes before.
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Which is why I cited the Moyes confrontation.

Even Moyes said Mancini earned his respect for being so passionate about his team and wanting to grab the ball back.

Fergie is too busy drinking bordeaux five minutes after the final whistle.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Didsbury Dave said:
I don't think the issue is whether he'll battle them, it's when he can engenger their respect by being seen as being on their side, with them, part of them, their leader.

I can't see Fergie sitting meeting corporate guests in his office two minutes after the derby, or sitting writing at his desk 5 minutes before.
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Which is why I cited the Moyes confrontation.

Even Moyes said Mancini earned his respect for being so passionate about his team and wanting to grab the ball back.

Fergie is too busy drinking bordeaux five minutes after the final whistle.
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Grabbing the ball back could just as easily be seen as being passionate about himself to be honest. But I accept he shows passion to win, that's not in any doubt. Is he seen by his squad as their leader? I think you know the answer to that one, Tolm.

I think a leader should be with their team before and after a game like that. And you declined to comment on him giving up against Brum...
 
Didsbury Dave said:
SWP's back said:
What about this bit:



Agree with the three highlighted bits from ONE paragraph?
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I said I agree with most of it, not all of it. Some truth in the Balotelli comment but hopefully it's an over-exageration. But a crashed car, late for training, red and yellow card and two goals in 3 appearances, coupled with his history, also mean it's not a total lie. No idea about Tevez, I was in the stadium, didn't really see much. Johnson did appear to hint he'd like a move so I can see why he's written it.

The important points were Mancini's history, tactics and player management, most of which I largely agree with.

He makes an interesting point about him flouncing down the tunnel, something I have heard nothing about.

At the Derby match I was in the players lounge. Mancini was in his office both immedaitely before and after the game. Also, with a few minutes left v Birmingham, he gave up and sat down on the bench. Imagine a player giving up at 0-0.
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Jumping up and down certainly worked for Pearce...

Also Baconhead was sat on the bench doing nothing when he went 2-0 down at Villa and only came off it when they equalised. Had he given up also?
 
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