Etihad Atmosphere - 2021/22

Psychedelic Casual said:
We always sell those away seats returned to the club very quickly after they go on sale for £30.

Like we had over 10,000 people apply for the £250 season tickets when SSL3 was expanded… we could fill a big fuck-off stand if we made it all rail seating and £300 per season ticket and £30 per match day ticket.

We seem to properly understand our fanbase where the club doesn’t have a bloody clue though.

We have the fanbase in Greater Manchester alone to fill a 65,000 stadium every single week if the pricing was right and the set-up of the stadium was right with proper decent stands to identify with.

And imagine how good our atmosphere could be if it was like this. Hamburg wasn’t as good as it was because it was a UEFA Cup Quarter Final, it was mainly because tickets were a fiver and it enticed a certain type of City fan.
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True, but another significant reason, imo, was the fact you could buy 6 at once. Groups of people were able to sit together and naturally that gives people more confidence to play up/sing a bit, where normal matches people are dotted around the ground in ones or twos.

If memory serves me correct tickets went on sale the week of the away match in Hamburg. Im sure, although happy to be corrected, that was the reason I was scratching around for a ticket.
 
We could do with the supporters club or someone official bringing up pricing with the club. Feels like we have no one standing up for fans at the minute
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
We always sell those away seats returned to the club very quickly after they go on sale for £30.

Like we had over 10,000 people apply for the £250 season tickets when SSL3 was expanded… we could fill a big fuck-off stand if we made it all rail seating and £300 per season ticket and £30 per match day ticket.

We seem to properly understand our fanbase where the club doesn’t have a bloody clue though.

We have the fanbase in Greater Manchester alone to fill a 65,000 stadium every single week if the pricing was right and the set-up of the stadium was right with proper decent stands to identify with.

And imagine how good our atmosphere could be if it was like this. Hamburg wasn’t as good as it was because it was a UEFA Cup Quarter Final, it was mainly because tickets were a fiver and it enticed a certain type of City fan.
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On this particular topic I agree with virtually everything you post and I just wish that somehow somebody at the club could hear what you say. Maybe the City Matters guy who posts on here could facilitate that or suggest it. The club obviously don’t understand the heart and soul of our fanbase and need it spelling out to them.

Just to play devil’s advocate though - do the City board see any benefit in having a full, bouncing 65k stadium paying £30 a pop rather than a nearly full 53k stadium paying £50/£60 each especially when the fan demographic the club seem to be courting is more likely to buy overpriced food / souvenirs than your local mad for it but cash strapped 20 or 30 yr old ?
 
Shit sales for Leeds and Wolves. Prepare for incoming fire
Psychedelic Casual said:
We always sell those away seats returned to the club very quickly after they go on sale for £30.

Like we had over 10,000 people apply for the £250 season tickets when SSL3 was expanded… we could fill a big fuck-off stand if we made it all rail seating and £300 per season ticket and £30 per match day ticket.

We seem to properly understand our fanbase where the club doesn’t have a bloody clue though.

We have the fanbase in Greater Manchester alone to fill a 65,000 stadium every single week if the pricing was right and the set-up of the stadium was right with proper decent stands to identify with.

And imagine how good our atmosphere could be if it was like this. Hamburg wasn’t as good as it was because it was a UEFA Cup Quarter Final, it was mainly because tickets were a fiver and it enticed a certain type of City fan.
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You and I are always on the same page about this. Fans who sing are usually more cost conscious too. You know exactly what I mean. That’s why they could and should have had one end that was dirt cheap tickets and designated as an atmosphere end. Season tickets at £250 offered first to the people in the existing singing areas would have sold out in no time. They could have left more to sell match to match at £20. When they are gone they are gone.

The rest of the stadium could be priced on the same basis it is now. It would kill several birds with one stone: better atmosphere, a fuller ground and a better and stronger club identity.
 
Gundog’s Gundog said:
On this particular topic I agree with virtually everything you post and I just wish that somehow somebody at the club could hear what you say. Maybe the City Matters guy who posts on here could facilitate that or suggest it. The club obviously don’t understand the heart and soul of our fanbase and need it spelling out to them.

Just to play devil’s advocate though - do the City board see any benefit in having a full, bouncing 65k stadium paying £30 a pop rather than a nearly full 53k stadium paying £50/£60 each especially when the fan demographic the club seem to be courting is more likely to buy overpriced food / souvenirs than your local mad for it but cash strapped 20 or 30 yr old ?
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The problem is at a high level city board, the club knows city fans have an issue with ticket prices, it has been brought to their attention often enough, it goes to the decision makers at the very top of the board and is ignored. Call it ignorance or what ever we want, reduced ticket prices are not on the elites agenda.

Fans are irritated by ticket prices, but it doesnt go any further than vocal across social media. It needs taking to another level with a protest if it is to get noticed. I dont think it will escalate to this, i dont think fans would take part, a lot would say although they are annoyed at ticket prices they are not willing to be seen to be going against the club. Or am i worng and would fans take time out before a game to stage something ?
 
trevorriley said:
The problem is at a high level city board, the club knows city fans have an issue with ticket prices, it has been brought to their attention often enough, it goes to the decision makers at the very top of the board and is ignored. Call it ignorance or what ever we want, reduced ticket prices are not on the elites agenda.

Fans are irritated by ticket prices, but it doesnt go any further than vocal across social media. It needs taking to another level with a protest if it is to get noticed. I dont think it will escalate to this, i dont think fans would take part, a lot would say although they are annoyed at ticket prices they are not willing to be seen to be going against the club. Or am i worng and would fans take time out before a game to stage something ?
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One end with dirt cheap prices, the other three ends with more typical pricing. Rail seating/banners etc at the cheap end.

They'll get more money through corporate and the mainstream sales because the matchday experience will improve.

It's the one area the club have got consistently wrong, not least because the people making the decisions weren't at Maine Road, weren't at the Hamberg game, didn't see the fuck up of the stadium move. As someone said earlier. They don't understand our fans and in particular crowd psychology. If nobody around them is singing people go shtum. The pattern is often set in the first few minutes of the game.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
One end with dirt cheap prices, the other three ends with more typical pricing. Rail seating/banners etc at the cheap end.

They'll get more money through corporate and the mainstream sales because the matchday experience will improve.

It's the one area the club have got consistently wrong, not least because the people making the decisions weren't at Maine Road, weren't at the Hamberg game, didn't see the fuck up of the stadium move. As someone said earlier. They don't understand our fans and in particular crowd psychology. If nobody around them is singing people go shtum. The pattern is often set in the first few minutes of the game.
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said this all along about the match day experience for fans in three other areas of the stadium getting as much pleasure from listening to one end singing away as they do seeing the game itself.

The first thing football fans say that dont go to games often is " i love the atmosphere"

There are a lot of people at a high level within the club that are in full support of a good atmosphere and help us. Getting the penny to drop right at the top of the board and see that fare price tickets would help the end that creates most noise is difficult.

Then again i wouldnt want to discriminate, the whole stadium deserves a better price offer for tickets and in particular the young fans.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
the prices are disgusting. No wonder the atmosphere is poor, as you say. Let’s price out the people who make the noise, let’s also price out people during a pandemic in a relatively low income city….
The club don’t get our fan base or the city in my opinion
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It's crazy, isn't it?

The thing that makes it worse is that the people we (1894) deal with at the club definitely do get it. They are on our side. The demands go up the ladder and the door is slammed shut by the hierarchy at the club. To the people at board level (Omar, Ferran, Txiki etc) who have no previous connection or affinity with City or Manchester, we're nothing more than a revenue stream. They'd benefit massively by having meaningful communication with City fans - even electing one to the board would be a good start (but will never happen IMO).
 
Manchester33 said:
It's crazy, isn't it?

The thing that makes it worse is that the people we (1894) deal with at the club definitely do get it. They are on our side. The demands go up the ladder and the door is slammed shut by the hierarchy at the club. To the people at board level (Omar, Ferran, Txiki etc) who have no previous connection or affinity with City or Manchester, we're nothing more than a revenue stream. They'd benefit massively by having meaningful communication with City fans - even electing one to the board would be a good start (but will never happen IMO).
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So basically we have no proper fan representation. That doesn’t seem right to me.
It’s easier said then done, but we need a spirit of Shankley like group who the club have to listen to.
Until this is changed it’s going to be a real struggle to improve the atmosphere. Not just in terms of atmosphere, helping more people attend games/ allow everyone the right to attend is the right thing to do
 
Just a thought,if enough people wrote a letter along these lines direct to Khaldoon,do you think this would work ?
 
Gundog’s Gundog said:
But what’s to stop people buying bargain basement season tickets for the cheap end and then only showing up 6 times a season ?
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I've said this a few times so apologies for being repetetive. Let's say the "New Kippax" was the top tier of the South Stand - which it should have been when it opened. First of all make it very clear that this is an "atmosphere" end where people stand and have banners. Then offer the cheap season tickets first of all to the people in the existing singing areas. Only once they have nbought them, then put them on sale to others on the cheap making it clear that this is the atmosphere end. There might be a few who don't turn up that often but that isn't a problem. Atmosphere doesn't come from every seat been taken, it comes from people in one area making a noise that the rest of the ground take their lead from. It comes from the way that songs spread around a stadium like a mexican wave. If you've ever been to Wolves away you'll know what I mean: it's a shit atmosphere for away fans because it's long and thin and songs don't spread in four directions at once. Our ground is like having two of those type of away ends on either side of the away fans. Noice that starts beneath a roof bounces out and spreads around.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
So basically we have no proper fan representation. That doesn’t seem right to me.
It’s easier said then done, but we need a spirit of Shankley like group who the club have to listen to.
Until this is changed it’s going to be a real struggle to improve the atmosphere. Not just in terms of atmosphere, helping more people attend games/ allow everyone the right to attend is the right thing to do
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We know the guys (and girls) who run SOS at Liverpool. They are really organised, they have tens of thousands of members (I think it was 30k) who pay membership fees (I think it was £5) and finance the organisation when I last spoke to them. United fans (MUST) will have similar access to the board now too (which is why they're smashing fan engagement with things like proper singing sections, cheap beer prices etc).

City fans on the whole don't have the same mentality. We're a smaller fanbase than those two, they probably have 5-10x as many UK based fans as us. So I think just through sheer scale they have higher numbers of 'activist' fans than we do.

Put it this way, if everyone who was annoyed about those ticket prices came to a demonstration/protest before the game tomorrow, it would probably help reduce prices moving forward. In reality, though we'd get a few thousand people backing us up on here and social media saying it's a great idea and they support us. Then on the day, the vast majority would cry off and a few dozen would turn up and nothing would change. We need more boots on the ground.
 
Manchester33 said:
We know the guys (and girls) who run SOS at Liverpool. They are really organised, they have tens of thousands of members (I think it was 30k) who pay membership fees (I think it was £5) and finance the organisation when I last spoke to them. United fans (MUST) will have similar access to the board now too (which is why they're smashing fan engagement with things like proper singing sections, cheap beer prices etc).

City fans on the whole don't have the same mentality. We're a smaller fanbase than those two, they probably have 5-10x as many UK based fans as us. So I think just through sheer scale they have higher numbers of 'activist' fans than we do.

Put it this way, if everyone who was annoyed about those ticket prices came to a demonstration/protest before the game tomorrow, it would probably help reduce prices moving forward. In reality, though we'd get a few thousand people backing us up on here and social media saying it's a great idea and they support us. Then on the day, the vast majority would cry off and a few dozen would turn up and nothing would change. We need more boots on the ground.
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some people may think that sounds harsh but it is the reality of the situation and why the spirit of shankly reaches out further.

it is not difficult to put together a few ideas and bullet points of how to get a fan group together which will challenge the clubs decisions. But putting this in place, wheels in motion, maintaining a presence for at least 3 years before the club takes you serious is another thing. Try it by all means.

There are groups of people voicing their opinions to the club, it hits that brick wall when it reaches the top. To bring this to another level it needs an organisation with 30k members that could back it up with a visual protest, plus see it through to the end.
 
Manchester33 said:
We know the guys (and girls) who run SOS at Liverpool. They are really organised, they have tens of thousands of members (I think it was 30k) who pay membership fees (I think it was £5) and finance the organisation when I last spoke to them. United fans (MUST) will have similar access to the board now too (which is why they're smashing fan engagement with things like proper singing sections, cheap beer prices etc).

City fans on the whole don't have the same mentality. We're a smaller fanbase than those two, they probably have 5-10x as many UK based fans as us. So I think just through sheer scale they have higher numbers of 'activist' fans than we do.

Put it this way, if everyone who was annoyed about those ticket prices came to a demonstration/protest before the game tomorrow, it would probably help reduce prices moving forward. In reality, though we'd get a few thousand people backing us up on here and social media saying it's a great idea and they support us. Then on the day, the vast majority would cry off and a few dozen would turn up and nothing would change. We need more boots on the ground.
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Even Spurs and Newcastle have a fans trust groups. Like you say it's just not our mentality. We're a fan base that doesn't take things too seriously and not as organized as some other clubs.
 
Manchester33 said:
We know the guys (and girls) who run SOS at Liverpool. They are really organised, they have tens of thousands of members (I think it was 30k) who pay membership fees (I think it was £5) and finance the organisation when I last spoke to them. United fans (MUST) will have similar access to the board now too (which is why they're smashing fan engagement with things like proper singing sections, cheap beer prices etc).

City fans on the whole don't have the same mentality. We're a smaller fanbase than those two, they probably have 5-10x as many UK based fans as us. So I think just through sheer scale they have higher numbers of 'activist' fans than we do.

Put it this way, if everyone who was annoyed about those ticket prices came to a demonstration/protest before the game tomorrow, it would probably help reduce prices moving forward. In reality, though we'd get a few thousand people backing us up on here and social media saying it's a great idea and they support us. Then on the day, the vast majority would cry off and a few dozen would turn up and nothing would change. We need more boots on the ground.
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TBF City supporters in general are not the sheep like variety that infest the red clubs. The first item on the agenda would be the split.
 
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