Is it a certainty that they're building one? I've only ever seen rumour and speculation.fbloke said:GX Blue said:fbloke said:I'm looking forward to the futsal stadium being built.
Its the fastest growing form of the game and will be a massive boost for the sport as international teams will play there as well as clubs from all over the world.
Etihad Campus, home of England Futsal anyone?
Where they gonna put that then?
I was told the Nth Car Park but as long as it can be part of the wider 'world of sports' that we have near the Eithad it will certainly add to destination.
mancity dan said:bluestevei said:CAN I ASK A ?, WHEN DOES THE CAMPUS OPEN, thought it was to open in oct and now we are into dec
Opening ceremony on Monday mate.
Nixon_The_Bike_Thief said:fletcherj said:mancity dan said:Opening ceremony on Monday mate.
something's happening on Monday but not to do with the opening only mcfc staff family and friends are invited to this event but I can say nothing to do with the opening ceremony remember we still have the academy stadium to certify before this happens plus mcfc said soon so have a date ready when stadium gets sorted
Well, seeing as NYCFC are to play 2 games there in Feb, they will have to get everything in place before then presumably.
Prestwich_Blue said:~The issue facing an academy is that you can churn out decent players by the dozen but it takes more than just that to break into the first team regularly. And Marvin is quite right to say that the barrier has been raised by the level we're now at meaning the likes of Lee Croft, Vladimir Weiss, Stephen Jordan, etc would struggle to get in the first team squad now. That's not to say they're bad players but the level we were at then is so far below the level we are at now. We have to maintain top four and can't afford to take the chances that Southampton or Villa can.
But there's another thing, which is the Academy has to produce players ready for that level and that's not easy. The rags did it with the class of '92 and Arsenal have done it over the last few years but not many others at that level. Barca and Madrid have done it so there is a way. It's fair wnough to say that Messi was a natural but he still needed to develop in the right way and be ready for the exponentially increased demands of the first team.
We had a problem a few years ago, when Hughes was manager and Jim Cassell was running the Academy. Jim produced some great youth teams but Hughes wasn't happy that they weren't prepared for the first team and that Cassell seemed more intent on winning trophies than getting players ready correctly. He didn't use the word "holistic" but that's what Hughes wanted.
So the club used a contact who was close to Arsenal, to look at the way they managed that task. They were told that technique isn't taught after the player turns 16 as they've either got it by them or they haven't. They do focus on developing pace, power, strength, football knowledge, vision and a good understanding of how the first team plays. The players coming through now like Barker & Lopes were probably the first to benefit from that approach but with the further development of the Academy and its facilities, the ones starting to come through in 2 or 3 years or more should be the ones to watch.
are you on a wind up? arsenal!Chippy_boy said:Prestwich_Blue said:~The issue facing an academy is that you can churn out decent players by the dozen but it takes more than just that to break into the first team regularly. And Marvin is quite right to say that the barrier has been raised by the level we're now at meaning the likes of Lee Croft, Vladimir Weiss, Stephen Jordan, etc would struggle to get in the first team squad now. That's not to say they're bad players but the level we were at then is so far below the level we are at now. We have to maintain top four and can't afford to take the chances that Southampton or Villa can.
But there's another thing, which is the Academy has to produce players ready for that level and that's not easy. The rags did it with the class of '92 and Arsenal have done it over the last few years but not many others at that level. Barca and Madrid have done it so there is a way. It's fair wnough to say that Messi was a natural but he still needed to develop in the right way and be ready for the exponentially increased demands of the first team.
We had a problem a few years ago, when Hughes was manager and Jim Cassell was running the Academy. Jim produced some great youth teams but Hughes wasn't happy that they weren't prepared for the first team and that Cassell seemed more intent on winning trophies than getting players ready correctly. He didn't use the word "holistic" but that's what Hughes wanted.
So the club used a contact who was close to Arsenal, to look at the way they managed that task. They were told that technique isn't taught after the player turns 16 as they've either got it by them or they haven't. They do focus on developing pace, power, strength, football knowledge, vision and a good understanding of how the first team plays. The players coming through now like Barker & Lopes were probably the first to benefit from that approach but with the further development of the Academy and its facilities, the ones starting to come through in 2 or 3 years or more should be the ones to watch.
Agree with all of that. I might add that if a top team is going to successfully integrate academy players into the first team, there are two prerequisites IMHO. First, you need a really top top coach, someone who is expert at developing young talent to the level required, both technically and mentally. Guardiola could do it obviously, as could Ferguson, and Wenger, Klopp and several others. Someone with a track record of taking promising youngsters and turning out proper footballers. I am not sure PellegrinI is proven in this department?
The second thing is a team that consistently plays the same way, week in, week out. So that every player knows exactly what the plan is and is well drilled into what's required in their role. So the team is very much greater than the sum of its parts and is effective because it functions as a coherent whole. In this scenario, individual brilliance is less important and it's easier to introduce a youngster without too much risk. The Arsenal teams overy the past few years have been well suited to this. But I am not sure we are. Yes we function as a team, but we're still a bit disjointed in my view, dependent on individual brilliance rather than a really effective, well drilled system. Perhaps it's because we have such incredible talents in the team, but we play to accommodate our top players and we play completely differently, depending on who's in the team.
Marvin said:OK. Which clubs have been dominating Youth Team football for the last 10 years: Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd, and City have improved too. They win the competitions at that level. They have the best players. But none come through. All that will happen with this additional investment (remember City have been investing heavily and controversially for years) is that there will be a further shift towards City. Great. But if Chelsea and all the other top Premiership clubs have spectacularly failed when their young teams won everything in sight, why should City succeed when we have a even bigger 1st team playing budget than they do?CC1 said:Marvin said:Call it what you like, but Chelsea and MCFC have been pumping major investment into the academies for years and I can't think of one player who has come through - whereas the much more impoverished Platt Lane used to develop loads of players for City in the 80s. I grew up watching them, I'm sure you did too.
There is a tension between hundreds of Million Pounds of investment into the top playing squads, the money that comes from success in competitions like the Premier League and the Champions League and in giving time to develop young players in the first team.
City and especially Chelsea have been investing hundreds of Millions in their academies for years. This is Not a new development. And it has worked to the extent that Chelsea have won the FA Youth Cup 3 times in the last years and are the Champions of the U21s league. I remember City playing them in the USA in a friendly and Chelsea were talking about the young players that they had high hopes for, and what happened to them.....they took a back seat as Fabregas, Costa, Luiz etc arrived. City will become the Premier Academy in the country, but we'll still have to move those players from the academy to the 1st team, and neither MCFC nor Chelsea have managed it to date. You look at the young players who have come through in the Premiership.....they are at clubs like Everton, Villa and Southampton, clubs which don't have huge investments in first team squads.
I love the infrastructure development at City, but I am a cynic when it comes to the academy. State of the art technology and facilities are all well and good, but athletes and top footballers develop out of poverty, lack of opportunity, and most of all inner drive and because someone when they are ready to take the final step was ready to give them the opportunity - it will be very very difficult for any coach of any top Premiership club to give their academy players a sustained chance. And that has been the over-riding message from the last 10 years of Premiership football, an era when the top clubs have invested hundreds of Millions in academies and almost without exceptional the best talent has come through at the lower ranked Premiership clubs, or in lower leagues. The reasons are obvious and Compelling.
Footballers develop in Africa, and South America in part because they don't have big footballs or boots, and have to play with smaller balls on bad surfaces, and its the nly way these kids have a future. For the same reason its why boxing is dominated by black Americans, and sprinting by Jamaican and the West Indies. I don't see a problem in taking the best players that are produced from these environments, but you've got to be realistic about their chances of progression into the first team, and you've only got to look back at what's been happening in youth football at Premiership clubs to see that the academys have been a spectacular flop to date.
About 18 months ago, City and Chelsea were both facing UEFA investigations for poaching the best players from French clubs. Utd have been doing it for years to. Where are these players now? I am afraid that the best young payers will continue to come out of Africa, into the French and Portuguese teams that don't have huge playing budgets and then Chelsea, City, Utd etc will then come along with their cheque books and buy them whilst people wonder why is it that the foreign clubs can develop young kids and the Premiership does not. it's obvious. They have to, and the Premiership has much more money, and if you think about it there's a big conflict between the two that no one has solved to date. The possible exception is Barcelona, but they are in a unique position that's very unlikely to happen here in the Premiership. There two teams have total dominance and can introduce players with less pressure and alongside world class players who can carry them through against weak opposition. The Premiership is a totally different environment.
I bet if you talk to players like Micah Richards, Kieran Trippier and the staff who have been involved at City's academy they will recognise the difficulty of giving the kids a chance when they need it. Suarez had to leave. Pozo is now 18. He should be playing to develop. This will always happen. But fans and everyone at City want to win the next game so what do you do
Your first para says it all mate - the quality required now compared to the 80s is very different. The players that came through from Platt Lane wouldn't have got in other top squads. It's just that we couldn't afford to buy. We are now getting the best kids but it takes a few years & we've only been at the top for 5 years. Watch this space. In the next 2 years we'll have a stream of graduates from the Acadamy - many British
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