For me it's Dortmunds. Offers all the facilities of every other new build stadium, but has the design of a 'proper' football stadium.What is the best stadium in the world currently?
The issue with your simple drawings is an assumption that the seating levels between East, west and North remain the same height. (Elevation not section)
The new plans for the asymmetric stand have a much higher roof line than East & west and the gradient of seating is less acute (Resulting in a step down, at adjoining East and west sections - no blocked view) There are discussions at the moment regarding corporate capacity and the total removal of boxes and high yield seating in the north stand. This can be negated commercially as there are draft plans for a supplementary (circa 5k capacity) indoor arena directly behind the North Stand, but this is dependant on timing requirements from the club.
This is also brought about by the total estimated cost / time allowances needed to replace the existing roof to make the stadium a full bowl and the realisation that an asymmetric stadium isn't a bad thing for overall cost, atmosphere and astetics
To replace the roof would mean closing the stadium for quite awhile, and what type of roof? The current one is lightweight and therfore the structure of the bowl is designed around this criteria, to change the design would entail a new supporting structure, to bear the heavy loads of a conventional cantilever. IMHO the north stand should mirror the south stand, anything else would entail compromises with sightlines and /or capacity
I'm definately no engineer, but worsleyweb must have seen or been told something to say he was 90% sure , he wouldn't have just plucked the one tier thing out of the air, and the club can employ the very cleverest engineers / architects. That said I find it difficult to imagine how it could be done without closing the stand.Im no engineer but its my take on things as well mate.
I'm definately no engineer, but worsleyweb must have seen or been told something to say he was 90% sure , he wouldn't have just plucked the one tier thing out of the air, and the club can employ the very cleverest engineers / architects. That said I find it difficult to imagine how it could be done without closing the stand.
Unless you a true ITK on this matter, I am going to disagree - this is nothing to do with the height of the new north stand - this is all about alignment of the first and second tiers on the join between the new north stand and the existing corners and to a lesser extent the concourses/access behind them - you simply can't reconcile a smooth profile (of a one giant tier stand) with a stepped profile (of the lower two tiers of the corner)The issue with your simple drawings is an assumption that the seating levels between East, west and North remain the same height. (Elevation not section)
The new plans for the asymmetric stand have a much higher roof line than East & west and the gradient of seating is less acute (Resulting in a step down, at adjoining East and west sections - no blocked view) There are discussions at the moment regarding corporate capacity and the total removal of boxes and high yield seating in the north stand. This can be negated commercially as there are draft plans for a supplementary (circa 5k capacity) indoor arena directly behind the North Stand, but this is dependant on timing requirements from the club.
This is also brought about by the total estimated cost / time allowances needed to replace the existing roof to make the stadium a full bowl and the realisation that an asymmetric stadium isn't a bad thing for overall cost, atmosphere and astetics
ummm isn't this what we did with the South Stand chaps?Maybe they would use the same plan as Liverpool and build the new stand behind the current stand and fill in the gap in the close season ?
Similar but Liverpool seem to be building their new stand about quarter of a mile from their current stand and joining it up laterummm isn't this what we did with the South Stand chaps?
For those saying that the North Stand should match the new South Stand, there would be too much wasted space if that were to happen. The South Stand includes the Legends Lounge, as well as the bar areas; 93:20 & Joe's.
Combined these areas take up a lot of room and there would never be the demand in a 60k seater stadium to have those facilities at the other end as well. This is just another reason why I believe they are considering a different design for the North Stamd end.
West Ham haven't taken the full allocation. and the 3rd tier have been put on sale to us.I met with a couple of people from the club on Monday and asked a couple of questions.
Firstly, it looks as though the club will try and keep the away fans in the top tier when they don't take full allocation (Although we advised them they should try and change this and work bottom-up rather than top-down, for atmospheric reasons).
Secondly, the planning permission related to the North stand is for a replica of the SouthStand, they have 2 years remaining on the planning permission and as far as these people were aware there are no plans to submit any other planning applications (Although this type of thing might have gone over their roles), so unless we see any new plans being submitted, we'll either get another 3 tiered stand or nothing in the next two years.
I met with a couple of people from the club on Monday and asked a couple of questions.
Firstly, it looks as though the club will try and keep the away fans in the top tier when they don't take full allocation (Although we advised them they should try and change this and work bottom-up rather than top-down, for atmospheric reasons).
Secondly, the planning permission related to the North stand is for a replica of the SouthStand, they have 2 years remaining on the planning permission and as far as these people were aware there are no plans to submit any other planning applications (Although this type of thing might have gone over their roles), so unless we see any new plans being submitted, we'll either get another 3 tiered stand or nothing in the next two years.
Is it me or is away support getting worse?
Lost count of the times last season where the away end was sparse
Maybe the price increases really are starting to impact core support across the country
Ah good stuff - I wouldn't have been happy with away fans being moved up there personally, think this works better.It's possible their info is outdated as West Ham have taken a reduced allocation and have taken the bottom 2 tiers. The top tier is being sold to City fans.
The tickets West Ham returned are on sale at £30 I presume that's what West Ham got them for as well which for London based fans is a bargain.Is it me or is away support getting worse?
Lost count of the times last season where the away end was sparse
Maybe the price increases really are starting to impact core support across the country
Salford?What if City were to build a school/s? or a some science park, or even a new hospital etc? There's so much more than just sport than can be built to bridge the gap between sport and the community. Manchester City, like most clubs, was once about a community (in the true geographical sense). Why not the same again, where Manchester is once again represented by Manchester City, and Salford can do what they like with their lot.
Imagine a state of the art hospital for kids (like Great Ormond Street) but in the Northwest - Manchester City Children's Hospital. Or a cancer research centre etc. Football ACTUALLY doing something positive. Talk about football actually making a different to people's lives? if our owners really want impact, something like that would beat any theme park / hotel hands down.
Our club COULD represent a lot more than sport. A pipe dream perhaps, but where we are now was a pipe dream a few years ago.