Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[tolmie's hairdoo]

i bow to your superior knowledge but that makes no sense unless its going to be the biggest and best statium in world football, hope i am around to see it will be 68 by then.

A growing hunch. It only makes sense to people who value prestige just as highly at the incredible cash resources they have.

Not only is the stadium starting to fall behind new developments and building concepts (capacities) it's also becoming increasingly expensive to work with what we have.

Estimates put the cost of the South Stand addition at £80m.

Another £200m will be needed to just make the planned extensions.

I'll caveat it, the present footprint of the stadium may alter drastically, grabbing a lot from the existing surrounding land.

 

[waspish]

I believe we will be playing in a new stadium by 2030, and regardless of the recent upgrades, planned developments.

I sense an ongoing dissatisfaction it is not a sufficient centrepiece for the wider plans.

Both in terms of other planned stadia and the costs involved to get it to where they want it to be for the next generation.

How will that work? If We build on a new site what will happen to the Etihad thats council owned, will they let us knock it down?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

How will that work? If We build on a new site what will happen to the Etihad thats council owned, will they let us knock it down?

Not a scooby. The stadium could be turned 360 degrees? West Ham did something at Upton Park and Spurs are being very clever by building on the back of White Hart Lane.

Not so much a new site, but a stadium that we can continue playing in at the same time as the new structure knits to it?

They want the biggest stadium in Britain.

 

[Jacko1956]

North Stand snippet - I understand contracts for interior work (don't know about the rest) have been signed...

My friend who works in the construction game just back from working abroad and his contacts have told him the North Stand expansion will begin once the glass tunnel work is complete, at the moment unable to begin the ground work and footings due to the players having to use the service tunnel which will be effected when work begins.

 

[Marvin]

Not a scooby. The stadium could be turned 360 degrees? West Ham did something at Upton Park and Spurs are being very clever by building on the back of White Hart Lane.

Not so much a new site, but a stadium that we can continue playing in at the same time as the new structure knits to it?

They want the biggest stadium in Britain.

But this must have already been reviewed prior to the South stand expansion and we opted to expand what we have.

Discosteve's comment seemed to be related to expansion of the North Stand in which case that makes talk of a new ground even more unlikely.

The cost of extending the North Stand to give us 62k, is bound to be a fraction the cost of building a 60k plus stadium from scratch. And what would happen to the Etihad? I can see that this might have been an option at one time, but seems unlikely now.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

My friend who works in the construction game just back from working abroad and his contacts have told him the North Stand expansion will begin once the glass tunnel work is complete, at the moment unable to begin the ground work and footings due to the players having to use the service tunnel which will be effected when work begins.

The service tunnel will still be required in June for the Robbie Williams concerts, too?

 

[domalino]

How will that work? If We build on a new site what will happen to the Etihad thats council owned, will they let us knock it down?

Not a scooby. The stadium could be turned 360 degrees? West Ham did something at Upton Park and Spurs are being very clever by building on the back of White Hart Lane.

Not so much a new site, but a stadium that we can continue playing in at the same time as the new structure knits to it?

They want the biggest stadium in Britain.

Perhaps it will be a "triggers broom" type thing. Upgrade/replace the current one until it's up to scratch.

As people have said it wouldn't make sense to spend £150m on extending North and South stands only to move 13 years later.

But there was talk earlier in this thread about plans to remove the cablenet, and if that's gone, with all 4 stands upgraded, they'd presumably have lots of options to makeover the exterior. The difference could be huge, take the bernabeu for example -

From this:

To this:

So if it's going to be 64,000 after the North Stand expansion, presumably extending the two long stands would add another 20,000 and that would make it the largest club ground in Britain by a mile and the exterior could be completely transformed to suitably reflect the grandeur wanted to be a "centrepiece".

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Perhaps it will be a "triggers broom" type thing. Upgrade/replace the current one until it's up to scratch.

As people have said it wouldn't make sense to spend £150m on extending North and South stands only to move 13 years later.

But there was talk earlier in this thread about plans to remove the cablenet, and if that's gone, with all 4 stands upgraded, they'd presumably have lots of options to makeover the exterior. The difference could be huge, take the bernabeu for example -

From this:

To this:

So if it's going to be 64,000 after the North Stand expansion, presumably extending the two long stands would add another 20,000 and that would make it the largest club ground in Britain by a mile and the exterior could be completely transformed to suitably reflect the grandeur wanted to be a "centrepiece".

That's what I can see happening.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Perhaps it will be a "triggers broom" type thing. Upgrade/replace the current one until it's up to scratch.

As people have said it wouldn't make sense to spend £150m on extending North and South stands only to move 13 years later.

But there was talk earlier in this thread about plans to remove the cablenet, and if that's gone, with all 4 stands upgraded, they'd presumably have lots of options to makeover the exterior. The difference could be huge, take the bernabeu for example -

From this:

To this:

So if it's going to be 64,000 after the North Stand expansion, presumably extending the two long stands would add another 20,000 and that would make it the largest club ground in Britain by a mile and the exterior could be completely transformed to suitably reflect the grandeur wanted to be a "centrepiece".

Bloody hell!

The irony, that face lift is being paid for by Abu Dhabi?

I'm sure it will officially become the Abu Dhabi Bernabeu?

 

[bornblueegg]

Looks like a hover mower. A good hover mower but nonetheless

 

[SilverFox2]

I seem to recall that there was a good reason other than financial to not allow the building of a new stadium some years ago ?
If so how will that constraint be resolved ?

 

[Danamy]

The whole point of the campus, academy and development being built where it is so it's close to the stadium, after all the expansions and upgrades have happened the external will have a facelift and be encapsulated, i've been led to believe that's always been the case and long term plan, i'm picturing something like the Allianz

 

[Bluheaven7]

Interesting that Durban have pulled out of hosting the 2022 Commonwealth Games. I know Liverpool have expressed an interesting in stepping in however.....

 

[Why Always Ste]

Forget new lavish stadia, I'd rather ADUG dumped a load of money on public transport (underground tube)
Making it easier/quicker to get to and from Etihad.
Have all the brilliant super sized stadia you want, if I can't park at the ground and the public transport is still bobbins I won't be renewing my season ticket and I ain't alone in this one.

 

[crazyg]

Not a scooby. The stadium could be turned 360 degrees? West Ham did something at Upton Park and Spurs are being very clever by building on the back of White Hart Lane.

Not so much a new site, but a stadium that we can continue playing in at the same time as the new structure knits to it?

They want the biggest stadium in Britain.

And have it facing the same way as now? Don't you mean 90 or 180 degrees?

 

[CrownPointBlue]

Forget new lavish stadia, I'd rather ADUG dumped a load of money on public transport (underground tube)
Making it easier/quicker to get to and from Etihad.
Have all the brilliant super sized stadia you want, if I can't park at the ground and the public transport is still bobbins I won't be renewing my season ticket and I ain't alone in this one.

Where is it ?

I may be interested if it's in a good position

 

[CrownPointBlue]

i bow to your superior knowledge but that makes no sense unless its going to be the biggest and best statium in world football, hope i am around to see it will be 68 by then.

Will we be able to share old scaffold.......they'll have empty seats too

 

[Why Always Ste]

Where is it ?

I may be interested if it's in a good position

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[FantasyIreland]

Forget new lavish stadia, I'd rather ADUG dumped a load of money on public transport (underground tube)
Making it easier/quicker to get to and from Etihad.
Have all the brilliant super sized stadia you want, if I can't park at the ground and the public transport is still bobbins I won't be renewing my season ticket and I ain't alone in this one.

I think youve hit the nail on the head for many Ste,the poor transport system and parking issues are a big reason a large number of supporters fuck off early or simply dont turn up at all.

Get the logistics sorted and it will make a huge difference to attendances and atmosphere IMO.

 

[petrusha]

I seem to recall that there was a good reason other than financial to not allow the building of a new stadium some years ago ?
If so how will that constraint be resolved ?

PB will confirm that ADUG did look seriously into building a new stadium back in 2008 and 2009. They'd have sited it either where the CFA now is and bought other nearby land for the Academy, or on the north car parks. The main reason it didn't go ahead was that Sport England wouldn't let us knock down the existing stadium in return for building a new, bigger and better one. We examined the possibility of reconfiguring the existing stadium for rugby, athletics and concerts while building a new one as well but concluded that the numbers didn't stack up. Of course we could simply have bought up the freehold on the stadium, which the lease gave us an option to do (with our 'rent' paid since moving in set off against the purchase price - I assume the renegotiated lease retains a similar option, but don't know for certain). However, the money for the freehold would have gone to Sport England and deprived MCC of millions over many years in 'rent' for the stadium.