Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

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I can't see us expanding further once the North Stand is extended anytime soon. I think the collar site will then be the next stage of the development. Going to 70,000 and then 80,000 whilst it is planned for in terms of the current works is more of a long term goal. Before we could do that we'd not only need to be certain that the demand was there but get new Planning Permission from the Council which would probably be dependent on improved transport links. It will eventually happen , in my opinion, but it may be a decade after the North Stand is completed before we see any progress.
 
The speculation is that work will start on the north stand in summer 2016, so if this is the case, surely the club will confirm the details within the next couple of months. Does anyone know if the snagging work on the south stand has been completed?
 
Gray said:
Any further expansion and Metrolink will be fucked, they can't cope now as it is!
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I agree the transport is poor from the stadium, but that shouldn't stop the club from expanding the the stadium !
 
Wilf Wild 1937 said:
I can't see us expanding further once the North Stand is extended anytime soon. I think the collar site will then be the next stage of the development. Going to 70,000 and then 80,000 whilst it is planned for in terms of the current works is more of a long term goal. Before we could do that we'd not only need to be certain that the demand was there but get new Planning Permission from the Council which would probably be dependent on improved transport links. It will eventually happen , in my opinion, but it may be a decade after the North Stand is completed before we see any progress.
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Build it and they will come. If I were our owners, I'd immediately plan for an 80,000 seater stadium and I'd lower the ticket prices all round to encourage more fans to attend. What you'd lose on ticket profit per head, we'd more than make up for with catering and shirt sales. I usually eat before I attend but a few weeks ago I went to the stadium straight from work and was starving. After something to eat and drink for 2 I was left with a few pennies jingling about in my pocket from £30...... Ouch!

This is what they do in Germany and is why teams like Dortmund have a huge packed out stadium. Bayern do my nut in but I recall the Kaiser once saying that they keep ticket costs as low as possible in Germany because rinsing the fans out would only net them an additional 5-6m per season in stadium revenue, but almost all German teams would prefer to have packed stadia and an electric atmosphere than to price the average fan out of attending.

I'd love City to be the first English club to lead the way like that and hopefully if FFP does go down the u-bend, it'll give us fresh impetus to make this happen.
 
The club will have no choice but to reduce tickets further once the north stand is completed. 62,000 seats puts us in the same league as Arsenal, the second biggest team in the country based on stadium size and average attendances. Without a clever ticket policy, I stand by my original thought 80,000 will be too big for a club of our size. My hope is that the owners continue to offer more value seasoncard as they rightly award that type of commitment to the club. As a Citizens member, I'm not expecting ticket prices to reduce much from the £37 that I'm currently paying for home games. If fans want even cheaper tickets, the club are likely to encourage fans like me to purchase a seasoncard, which will mean the price would fall to around £30 a game. That is great value, and gives me and other fans something to ponder in preparation for futures seasons...
 
The here and now is average attendances are up, so things are pushing in the right direction, but in preparation for the proposed north stand, I hope the club are investigating ways of ensuring the third tier on the away fans section side is completely filled out on a regular basis. Could we be the first club to really push the #TwentysPlenty scheme to away fans visiting The Etihad?
 
blueloon said:
The club will have no choice but to reduce tickets further once the north stand is completed. 62,000 seats puts us in the same league as Arsenal, the second biggest team in the country based on stadium size and average attendances. Without a clever ticket policy, I stand by my original thought 80,000 will be too big for a club of our size. My hope is that the owners continue to offer more value seasoncard as they rightly award that type of commitment to the club. As a Citizens member, I'm not expecting ticket prices to reduce much from the £37 that I'm currently paying for home games. If fans want even cheaper tickets, the club are likely to encourage fans like me to purchase a seasoncard, which will mean the price would fall to around £30 a game. That is great value, and gives me and other fans something to ponder in preparation for futures seasons...
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In 5 to 10 years time if we maintain winning silverware there is no reason why we cannot attract 80k crowds

If we build again it's purely the future we have in mind..our fan base has already grown considerably in the past 5 years..that will continue to grow
 
A massive (yes I dare use that word) stadium is not immediately aimed at domestic demand but when you want CL finals, World Club Championship and other major sporting events you want both the best and the biggest stadium possible.

Most of the existing 70k+ stadiums fall short in terms of quality but I suspect when ADUG are done that accusation wont apply to MCFC's home.
 
fbloke said:
A massive (yes I dare use that word) stadium is not immediately aimed at domestic demand but when you want CL finals, World Club Championship and other major sporting events you want both the best and the biggest stadium possible.

Most of the existing 70k+ stadiums fall short in terms of quality but I suspect when ADUG are done that accusation wont apply to MCFC's home.
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Bingo!

And not just for sporting events, of course.
 
blueloon said:
The club will have no choice but to reduce tickets further once the north stand is completed. 62,000 seats puts us in the same league as Arsenal, the second biggest team in the country based on stadium size and average attendances. Without a clever ticket policy, I stand by my original thought 80,000 will be too big for a club of our size. My hope is that the owners continue to offer more value seasoncard as they rightly award that type of commitment to the club. As a Citizens member, I'm not expecting ticket prices to reduce much from the £37 that I'm currently paying for home games. If fans want even cheaper tickets, the club are likely to encourage fans like me to purchase a seasoncard, which will mean the price would fall to around £30 a game. That is great value, and gives me and other fans something to ponder in preparation for futures seasons...
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Well if the scum thought that in the early 90's they still be playing to a 46k of fans
 
kev20971 said:
I agree the transport is poor from the stadium, but that shouldn't stop the club from expanding the the stadium !
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I honestly don't know what the council's view on that would be. I believe that before the tram arrived 60,000 for concerts was a total nightmare from a transport point of view. I doubt we would have been given permission to expand and host 60,000 on a regular basis pre tram. Arsenal theoretically could expand to 80,000 but have been told to forget it unless they are willing to part fund transport improvements in the area. I think we will eventually expand the two side stands but it probably want happen until the transport situation is resolved. A catalyst to improve transport could quite well be the development of the collar site.
 
I'm not quite sure how transport links in general could be improved further without enormous revenue expense on infrastructure projects involving road and rail. How about City buy Asda, knock it down, build a car park with access to Aston New Road both East and West and access to ATW both North and South and any other access points on its East and North side aspects to aid dispersal and charge a fiver a game. Still think City are missing a revenue trick by not having more casual parking facilities nearer the ground. Would something like this be feasible? Or have City got something with more prestige in mind for that site?
 
A multi-storey car park wouldn't go amiss, rather than a large surface area one.
I know it sounds a little bit crazy / non essential, but football fans / clubs seem to envision huge car park areas which is generally a poor use of valuable real estate, and whilst one might make the argument that a large flat car park facilitates quicker entry / exit, I believe that's a bit of a myth, since most car parks of that type have a limited number of entrances and exits anyway. You might even make a case that a well planned multi-storey could actually regulate the exit far better, and actually improve traffic flow.

The only other way transport links could be improved is via more frequent buses / trams on matchdays, or improved park and ride facilities from the suburbs, with the emphasis on parking (the most common problem).
 
there was some chat a while back about plugging-in a station to the rail line that runs across the back of the car park.

The area where the abattior is would be large enough and close enough for parking
 
Fat Chance said:
there was some chat a while back about plugging-in a station to the rail line that runs across the back of the car park.

The area where the abattior is would be large enough and close enough for parking
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A new station like that would certainly help any future planning application. Additional tram routes would also be beneficial.
 
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