Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It wont

Absolutely.

Some on here proposing that City buy a fleet of electric buses, build a monorail, open a railway service, and other far fetched ideas are clearly in cloud cuckoo land.

The cost of rail infrastructure projects are eye-watering high. Electric buses appear to cost around £500,000 to £1 million each. All that to be used for less than 30 days each year for return journeys of 2 miles?

The problems were created when the GM bus services were fragmented in the 1980s allowing the likes of Stagecoach to cherry pick their routes. This will only be solved by getting an integrated bus/tram (and rail?) service for Greater Manchester, as actually still exists in Greater London.

It's not 30 days a year though, not when the Arena opens.

Closer to 200 days that a proper transport plan now needs to be deployed.

 

[jrb]

Comsultation is for all if it. Hotel on the left as you view from Joe Mercer Way with 9 levels and 400+ rooms from Joe bloggs to Joe Biden. On the right retail, museum offices etc. In the middle mainly City sq what we might class as outside under terrace but maybe past the sq a closed city hall. And then an extension to be proud of.

50 rooms per 8 floors. Don't count the ground floor.

Hope you don't mind me asking?

Have you seen any proper CGI's of the Hotel or any other CGI's of the proposal, bar the 2 that have been posted?

 

[jrb]

Why is a fleet of new electric buses a silly idea?

OVG, the Coop and City are big on sustainable and eco-friendly ideas.

Or would people still prefer the old diesel buses that wait for the fans after the match to take them back into town?

Fire away!

 

[Keeper!]

I think people want it fixed so they can carry on as they are but in reality we all have to change our habits. I would say my current method of driving to a close by street and walking the last mile is a lot easier than when I went to Maine Road, but back then I’d take in a few boozers as it was all public transport for me. I did hope to do similar for the Burnley game but the bus delay scuppered that idea.

I’m resigned now to use the bus to Shudehill and walk the rest of the way, but of course I’m lucky I can do that. The ideas Burnham has (or stole from London if you like) for easier cross-mode travel will make it better, hopefully.

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

 

[bluesmith]

50 rooms per 8 floors. Don't count the ground floor.

Hope you don't mind me asking?

Have you seen any proper CGI's of the Hotel or any other CGI's of the proposal, bar the 2 that have been posted?

Floors aren't identical. Different room types.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

The £5 allday ticket for buses is good value. The 3 buses for a 10 mile journey, not so good. I can do it in two buses but means longer journey times and worse connections but now I know 3 buses is too risky it’s no choice any more. Things like accurate bus tracking apps or the bus stop displays will help.

 

[jrb]

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

True.

Public transport is now cheaper.

Make the most of lower bus fares. Single journeys cost £2 for adults and £1 for children. A day of unlimited travel costs £5 for adults and £2.50 for children.

From September 2023, bus services across Greater Manchester will start to be brought under local control.

Before then, you might start to see some buses turning yellow.

Bringing buses under local control will be the biggest change to Greater Manchester’s buses since de-regulation in 1986.

Because of the size of the bus network, and the scale of change, improvements will be made in phases from September 2023 through to January 2025.

Phase one: includes bus services running within and from the north west of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bolton and Wigan Council areas as well bus services running through parts of Salford and Manchester from the west of Greater Manchester. First services will operate here from 2023.

Phase two: includes bus services running within and from the north east of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bury, Rochdale and Oldham areas as well as the north of Manchester City Council area. First services will operate here from 2024.

Phase three: includes some bus services crossing over from the north east of Greater Manchester as well as services running in the south of Greater Manchester – the south of the Manchester City Council area, Stockport, Trafford, Tameside and the rest of Salford. First services will operate here from 2025.

Say yellow to the Bee Network

The Bee Network is Greater Manchester's vision to deliver a joined-up London-style transport system, with buses beginning to be integrated from 2023.

tfgm.com

 

[Keeper!]

The £5 allday ticket for buses is good value. The 3 buses for a 10 mile journey, not so good. I can do it in two buses but means longer journey times and worse connections but now I know 3 buses is too risky it’s no choice any more. Things like accurate bus tracking apps or the bus stop displays will help.

We all know there will be clashes with games at the Etihad and a even at the Arena, good luck to anyone in the Manchester area, it will be utter chaos.

I can see them making a large area around the stadium/Arena car free and having to bus people in to the events, again at this time with the vehicles available it will be madness.

 

[jrb]

Transport for Greater Manchester has ordered 50 zero-emission double-deck buses from Alexander Dennis as part of its new Bee Network.

The BYD ADL Enviro 400EV battery electric double deckers are due to operate in Wigan and Bolton, where bus franchising will be rolled out in September next year before other parts of Greater Manchester in 2024 and 2025.

They will be the first to bear the branding of the new Bee Network – Greater Manchester’s ambition for a fully integrated, London-style integrated transport system comprising buses, trams, walking and cycling, and eventually trains.

50 new electric buses for Greater Manchester

Transport for Greater Manchester has ordered 50 zero-emission double-deck buses from Alexander Dennis as part of its new Bee Network. The BYD ADL Enviro 400EV battery electric double deckers are due to operate in Wigan and Bolton, where bus franchising…

www.smmt.co.uk

 

[Keeper!]

True.

Public transport is now cheaper.

Make the most of lower bus fares. Single journeys cost £2 for adults and £1 for children. A day of unlimited travel costs £5 for adults and £2.50 for children.

From September 2023, bus services across Greater Manchester will start to be brought under local control.

Before then, you might start to see some buses turning yellow.

Bringing buses under local control will be the biggest change to Greater Manchester’s buses since de-regulation in 1986.

Because of the size of the bus network, and the scale of change, improvements will be made in phases from September 2023 through to January 2025.

Phase one: includes bus services running within and from the north west of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bolton and Wigan Council areas as well bus services running through parts of Salford and Manchester from the west of Greater Manchester. First services will operate here from 2023.

Phase two: includes bus services running within and from the north east of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bury, Rochdale and Oldham areas as well as the north of Manchester City Council area. First services will operate here from 2024.

Phase three: includes some bus services crossing over from the north east of Greater Manchester as well as services running in the south of Greater Manchester – the south of the Manchester City Council area, Stockport, Trafford, Tameside and the rest of Salford. First services will operate here from 2025.

Say yellow to the Bee Network

The Bee Network is Greater Manchester's vision to deliver a joined-up London-style transport system, with buses beginning to be integrated from 2023.

tfgm.com

A fleet of electric busses is a superb idea and let's face it, as a club we are more than capable of financing part of it with help from National Gov, Council, Arena etc, it has to be the future.