Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

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LEXSTARproject said:
www.building.co.uk

Grid wins planning for controversial Oval gasholder project

TV cricket backdrop to change dramatically
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Imagine if they developed that whole area flats, shops, bars and offices etc

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Who are they though? for the club to buy and develop them would be a huge outlay and risk and could any income even be included in our accounts, the fact no other property developers seem to want to take that risk suggests it isn’t the best idea to me.
 
March 2022.

132850/DEM/2022 | Demolition of gasholder and associated redundant infrastructure and associated restoration of site. | Former Saxon Street Gasworks Saxon Street Manchester

OUTLINE SUMMARY / DEMOLITION METHODOLOGY

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Full Planning Application.

132850/DEM/2022 | Demolition of gasholder and associated redundant infrastructure and associated restoration of site. | Former Saxon Street Gaswork

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MUEN. The article takes an age to download. Full of ads.

Around a dozen gasholders across the country are listed, however, and several in London’s King’s Cross have been turned into luxury apartments, with the frames remaining as part of the design. In parts of Greater Manchester, such as Bolton and Stretford, the structures have been dismantled and torn down.

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We live next to the gasholders by the Etihad. What do we get now they're going?

"People can't afford the houses they are building around here anyway. It's for people who have big jobs coming from London. This estate has been ripped apart for years."
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I think a two tier North Stand could end up looking something like Glanmores Gap at the Millennium Stadium. Coincidentally, it is also at the Northern end of the stadium like it would be at the Etihad. Of course some things would be different like the connection to the roof and to the corners of the East/Colin Bell Stands but the general stand would be similar looking.

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jrb said:
March 2022.

132850/DEM/2022 | Demolition of gasholder and associated redundant infrastructure and associated restoration of site. | Former Saxon Street Gasworks Saxon Street Manchester

OUTLINE SUMMARY / DEMOLITION METHODOLOGY

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Full Planning Application.

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Going to busy summer around the stadium

The proposed dismantling work is anticipated to last approximately 18 months, potentially starting in May 2023, which may then conclude in November 2024. Note however this is an estimate and the works can be carried out within five years of the grant of prior approval.
 
The gasholders being gone would be weird but acceptable. Wouldn't be better to redevelop the fire station and fit it into our club's community improvement than spend years on bureaucracy trying to strip gasholders and turn them into overpriced flats?
 
gouldybob said:
They look beautiful, but it's Kings Cross on the Regent Canal (2 bed rents at £4.5/£5.5pm, 1 bed sells for £1.25M) not Miles Platting looking down Briscoe Lane and Phillips Park Cemetery. ROI will be a little more challenging
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Haha !! Exactly !!!

I find it bizarre that some people on here keep on comparing it to developments in London when it’s apples and pears.

Abu Dhabi have invested hundreds of millions into East Manchester property via Manchester Life. I think they have an idea what they are doing and not have to rely on pie in sky ideas that worked well in central London.
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Haha !! Exactly !!!

I find it bizarre that some people on here keep on comparing it to developments in London when it’s apples and pears.

Abu Dhabi have invested hundreds of millions into East Manchester property via Manchester Life. I think they have an idea what they are doing and not have to rely on pie in sky ideas that worked well in central London.
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It's the same with some of the design suggestions for the campus?

I would love nothing more than some of the edgy proposals, but the Club also has to factor in the Manchester weather and local area.

Madrid and such as Abu Dhabi can rely on sunshine and certainly won't have the issues of potholes and puddles accumulating throughout a season.
 
gouldybob said:
They look beautiful, but it's Kings Cross on the Regent Canal (2 bed rents at £4.5/£5.5pm, 1 bed sells for £1.25M) not Miles Platting looking down Briscoe Lane and Phillips Park Cemetery. ROI will be a little more challenging
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ROI won't be a challenge, anywhere near a challenge.
 
The plan is to redevelop all the way down Bradford Rd from what I saw, create a proper link into Ancoats and New Islington

The mills are already being converted to flats.

Gasworks and the grim industrial units round Upper Cyrus street and the park will be next on the agenda.

The council houses on Cambrian St are starting to get boarded up
 
Bluubooii said:
ROI won't be a challenge, anywhere near a challenge.
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Viability on flats with excessive abnormals, including taking down a corroded iron frame and reconstructing it around the flats, fettering the size of the site too, will be a challenge.

Build cost inflation is still excessive but the expected GDVs are decreasing. Also finance is more costly too, and construction is always hit first in a recession.

If the viability was good it would have gone ahead. It is just about numbers.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
It's the same with some of the design suggestions for the campus?

I would love nothing more than some of the edgy proposals, but the Club also has to factor in the Manchester weather and local area.

Madrid and such as Abu Dhabi can rely on sunshine and certainly won't have the issues of potholes and puddles accumulating throughout a season.
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The weird upsloping roof in the current stadium can’t even keep the first 20 rows dry as it is
 
Corky said:
Viability on flats with excessive abnormals, including taking down a corroded iron frame and reconstructing it around the flats, fettering the size of the site too, will be a challenge.

Build cost inflation is still excessive but the expected GDVs are decreasing. Also finance is more costly too, and construction is always hit first in a recession.

If the viability was good it would have gone ahead. It is just about numbers.
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All of the above is true. A lot of schemes that were viable only 6 mths ago are looking borderline at best. Development funding is a nightmare atm, as funders are very picky and extremely nervous on the future direction of yields, cost inflation, material supply lines and workforce availability.
 
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