Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It wont

Absolutely.

Some on here proposing that City buy a fleet of electric buses, build a monorail, open a railway service, and other far fetched ideas are clearly in cloud cuckoo land.

The cost of rail infrastructure projects are eye-watering high. Electric buses appear to cost around £500,000 to £1 million each. All that to be used for less than 30 days each year for return journeys of 2 miles?

The problems were created when the GM bus services were fragmented in the 1980s allowing the likes of Stagecoach to cherry pick their routes. This will only be solved by getting an integrated bus/tram (and rail?) service for Greater Manchester, as actually still exists in Greater London.

It's not 30 days a year though, not when the Arena opens.

Closer to 200 days that a proper transport plan now needs to be deployed.

 

[jrb]

Comsultation is for all if it. Hotel on the left as you view from Joe Mercer Way with 9 levels and 400+ rooms from Joe bloggs to Joe Biden. On the right retail, museum offices etc. In the middle mainly City sq what we might class as outside under terrace but maybe past the sq a closed city hall. And then an extension to be proud of.

50 rooms per 8 floors. Don't count the ground floor.

Hope you don't mind me asking?

Have you seen any proper CGI's of the Hotel or any other CGI's of the proposal, bar the 2 that have been posted?

 

[jrb]

Why is a fleet of new electric buses a silly idea?

OVG, the Coop and City are big on sustainable and eco-friendly ideas.

Or would people still prefer the old diesel buses that wait for the fans after the match to take them back into town?

Fire away!

 

[Keeper!]

I think people want it fixed so they can carry on as they are but in reality we all have to change our habits. I would say my current method of driving to a close by street and walking the last mile is a lot easier than when I went to Maine Road, but back then I’d take in a few boozers as it was all public transport for me. I did hope to do similar for the Burnley game but the bus delay scuppered that idea.

I’m resigned now to use the bus to Shudehill and walk the rest of the way, but of course I’m lucky I can do that. The ideas Burnham has (or stole from London if you like) for easier cross-mode travel will make it better, hopefully.

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

 

[bluesmith]

50 rooms per 8 floors. Don't count the ground floor.

Hope you don't mind me asking?

Have you seen any proper CGI's of the Hotel or any other CGI's of the proposal, bar the 2 that have been posted?

Floors aren't identical. Different room types.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

The £5 allday ticket for buses is good value. The 3 buses for a 10 mile journey, not so good. I can do it in two buses but means longer journey times and worse connections but now I know 3 buses is too risky it’s no choice any more. Things like accurate bus tracking apps or the bus stop displays will help.

 

[jrb]

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

True.

Public transport is now cheaper.

Make the most of lower bus fares. Single journeys cost £2 for adults and £1 for children. A day of unlimited travel costs £5 for adults and £2.50 for children.

From September 2023, bus services across Greater Manchester will start to be brought under local control.

Before then, you might start to see some buses turning yellow.

Bringing buses under local control will be the biggest change to Greater Manchester’s buses since de-regulation in 1986.

Because of the size of the bus network, and the scale of change, improvements will be made in phases from September 2023 through to January 2025.

Phase one: includes bus services running within and from the north west of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bolton and Wigan Council areas as well bus services running through parts of Salford and Manchester from the west of Greater Manchester. First services will operate here from 2023.

Phase two: includes bus services running within and from the north east of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bury, Rochdale and Oldham areas as well as the north of Manchester City Council area. First services will operate here from 2024.

Phase three: includes some bus services crossing over from the north east of Greater Manchester as well as services running in the south of Greater Manchester – the south of the Manchester City Council area, Stockport, Trafford, Tameside and the rest of Salford. First services will operate here from 2025.

Say yellow to the Bee Network

The Bee Network is Greater Manchester's vision to deliver a joined-up London-style transport system, with buses beginning to be integrated from 2023.

tfgm.com

 

[Keeper!]

The £5 allday ticket for buses is good value. The 3 buses for a 10 mile journey, not so good. I can do it in two buses but means longer journey times and worse connections but now I know 3 buses is too risky it’s no choice any more. Things like accurate bus tracking apps or the bus stop displays will help.

We all know there will be clashes with games at the Etihad and a even at the Arena, good luck to anyone in the Manchester area, it will be utter chaos.

I can see them making a large area around the stadium/Arena car free and having to bus people in to the events, again at this time with the vehicles available it will be madness.

 

[jrb]

Transport for Greater Manchester has ordered 50 zero-emission double-deck buses from Alexander Dennis as part of its new Bee Network.

The BYD ADL Enviro 400EV battery electric double deckers are due to operate in Wigan and Bolton, where bus franchising will be rolled out in September next year before other parts of Greater Manchester in 2024 and 2025.

They will be the first to bear the branding of the new Bee Network – Greater Manchester’s ambition for a fully integrated, London-style integrated transport system comprising buses, trams, walking and cycling, and eventually trains.

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www.smmt.co.uk

 

[Keeper!]

True.

Public transport is now cheaper.

Make the most of lower bus fares. Single journeys cost £2 for adults and £1 for children. A day of unlimited travel costs £5 for adults and £2.50 for children.

From September 2023, bus services across Greater Manchester will start to be brought under local control.

Before then, you might start to see some buses turning yellow.

Bringing buses under local control will be the biggest change to Greater Manchester’s buses since de-regulation in 1986.

Because of the size of the bus network, and the scale of change, improvements will be made in phases from September 2023 through to January 2025.

Phase one: includes bus services running within and from the north west of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bolton and Wigan Council areas as well bus services running through parts of Salford and Manchester from the west of Greater Manchester. First services will operate here from 2023.

Phase two: includes bus services running within and from the north east of Greater Manchester. This includes the Bury, Rochdale and Oldham areas as well as the north of Manchester City Council area. First services will operate here from 2024.

Phase three: includes some bus services crossing over from the north east of Greater Manchester as well as services running in the south of Greater Manchester – the south of the Manchester City Council area, Stockport, Trafford, Tameside and the rest of Salford. First services will operate here from 2025.

Say yellow to the Bee Network

The Bee Network is Greater Manchester's vision to deliver a joined-up London-style transport system, with buses beginning to be integrated from 2023.

tfgm.com

A fleet of electric busses is a superb idea and let's face it, as a club we are more than capable of financing part of it with help from National Gov, Council, Arena etc, it has to be the future.

 

[Keeper!]

Transport for Greater Manchester has ordered 50 zero-emission double-deck buses from Alexander Dennis as part of its new Bee Network.

The BYD ADL Enviro 400EV battery electric double deckers are due to operate in Wigan and Bolton, where bus franchising will be rolled out in September next year before other parts of Greater Manchester in 2024 and 2025.

They will be the first to bear the branding of the new Bee Network – Greater Manchester’s ambition for a fully integrated, London-style integrated transport system comprising buses, trams, walking and cycling, and eventually trains.

Automotive Industry News UK - SMMT

Welcome to SMMT Automotive News. As the voice of the UK motor industry, SMMT supports and promotes members’ interests to government, stakeholders, and the media.

www.smmt.co.uk

Any idea of the range these have?

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Why is a fleet of new electric buses a silly idea?

OVG, the Coop and City are big on sustainable and eco-friendly ideas.

Or would people still prefer the old diesel buses that wait for the fans after the match to take them back into town?

Fire away!

Electric buses could be a great idea…..for a transport company.

If you have a pipe dream that City will be investing multi-millions in a fleet of electric buses then crack on. But there is as much chance of them building a travelator from the stadium to Piccadilly as buying a fleet of buses.

It’s up to TfGM and their new Bee Network to pull their finger out and arrange bus and tram solutions.

The council don’t want people driving to the stadium so they will need to find alternative options via TfGM.

 

[jrb]

A fleet of electric busses is a superb idea and let's face it, as a club we are more than capable of financing part of it with help from National Gov, Council, Arena etc, it has to be the future.

Correct Keeper.

If the Government, MCC, TFGM, City, OVG, the COOP, and a bus sponsor (like Nexen Tyres who sponsor the bridge) all contributed, there would be a decent fleet of electric buses that can be used on match days and concert and events days. They could be used as a shuttle service before and after the match to the ground and back into town. When the buses aren't in use for those events, the could be used for bus services in and around East Manchester, keeping them local.

 

[jrb]

Any idea of the range these have?

Built in Yorkshire at ADL's factory in Scarborough, each 10.8m long BYD ADL Enviro400EV offers up to 69 comfortable seats and has a range of up to 160 miles on a single charge of its cobalt-free BYD Iron-Phosphate Batteries.

The BYD ADL Enviro400EV is the new zero emission double deck bus from BYD and Alexander Dennis Limited (ADL).

Using the proven combination of BYD electric technology and batteries with stylish bodywork and passenger-centric interior by ADL, the BYD ADL Enviro400EV is a brand new concept designed by ADL’s in the UK and BYD’s R&D Centre in Shenzhen, China.

The finished buses are assembled in Britain by ADL, just like all BYD ADL joint products.

BYD ADL Enviro400EV - BYD ADL Electric Buses

www.evbus.co.uk

 

[Keeper!]

Built in Yorkshire at ADL's factory in Scarborough, each 10.8m long BYD ADL Enviro400EV offers up to 69 comfortable seats and has a range of up to 160 miles on a single charge of its cobalt-free BYD Iron-Phosphate Batteries.

Thanks for the info, these would be a huge success and again show the club leading the way.

 

[jrb]

Electric buses could be a great idea…..for a transport company.

If you have a pipe dream that City will be investing multi-millions in a fleet of electric buses then crack on. But there is as much chance of them building a travelator from the stadium to Piccadilly as buying a fleet of buses.

It’s up to TfGM and their new Bee Network to pull their finger out and arrange bus and tram solutions.

The council don’t want people driving to the stadium so they will need to find alternative options via TfGM.

Did I say just City?

See my above post.

It's possible to do. It just takes all parties to come together

As it stands, the only transport improvements for the new Coop Live arena are double trams ever 6 minutes, an improved walking route, and something about Uber Taxis, with no detail added to that. That was from the OVG representative at the Coop Live Arena, Open Doors event. Straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[jrb]

Thanks for the info, these would be a huge success and again show the club leading the way.

As you say, the club often leads the way. This could be another positive example of that.

 

[willipp]

100% this.

The days of using your car are on the way out but that is all well and good if there is a sensible alternatives IE public transport.

But at this time and since time began, public transport in the UK is at 3rd world levels, appalling and expensive.

I can’t even get a train most match days these days due to cancellations or strikes. Public transport is worse than it was 10 years ago and we’re supposed to believe somehow it’s all going to be solved. Sadly, public transport in this country outside London is an absolute joke and it’s hard to see that ever changing.

 

[supercity88]

As you say, the club often leads the way. This could be another positive example of that.

How much do you reckon those buses cost?

In contrast to the post from Prophet of Doom, if it gets you planning permission then that's exactly the sort of thing City would do. How many millions will they make from people coming to the area? If they can directly address the existing transport issues with a sustainable solution (and the good PR) plus bring more people to the area to spend their cash then it's a no brainer.

I can't see this current proposal getting planning permission without a significant contribution to transport infrastructure. A couple of bike stands and promoting walking isn't going to cut it.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Did I say just City?

See my above post.

It's possible to do. It just takes all parties to come together

As it stands, the only transport improvements for the new Coop Live arena are double trams ever 6 minutes, an improved walking route, and something about Uber Taxis, with no detail added to that. That was from the OVG representative at the Coop Live Arena, Open Doors event. Straight from the horse's mouth.

So you’ve had it from the horses mouth that there are no improvements planned yet bizarrely think City and OVG are magically gonna pop out and buy a fleet of electric buses.

All complete fantasy.