Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

UUJblue said:
Always bugged me that, just where the big screens are now to fill in the corners. I not sure if possible but even if we add 10 or so rows it would add a few thousand with both corners?
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Aren't the corners temporary? but thought they couldn't be replaced and seats put in until the two side stands roofs were replaced, and were the same level as the 2 ends.
 
blueparrot said:
Aren't the corners temporary? but thought they couldn't be replaced and seats put in until the two side stands roofs were replaced, and were the same level as the 2 ends.
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Oh no idea. Im sure it has been thought of to bring CBl3 and EL3 round to SSL3. Again, as before, im sure there is a lot more to do with it like the roof/cables etc. This would be a last resort to add some more seats if demand increases considerably.
 
blueparrot said:
Aren't the corners temporary? but thought they couldn't be replaced and seats put in until the two side stands roofs were replaced, and were the same level as the 2 ends.
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Those weird corner bits are temporary - no doubt the N Stand will have similar corners. The corners will only become permanent when the East and West stands are remodelled- probably talking long-term here - and have a flatter roof that will dovetail into the N & S stands. The present corners look a mess but there’s little choice in the short term.
 
GX Blue said:
Cant they put 2 big screens in to make it look less like a mess. The original plans all had big screens on them.
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They’ll probably move the North Stand screens there when they start work at that end.

There’s some temp disabled seats in those South corners at the moment so guessing they’d have to relocate those.
 
ManCityX said:
Jesus Christ mate.

I speculated it on the basis that the current cable ring restrictions wouldn’t allow us to reach the rumoured 63k through an extended North Stand 2nd tier. I too believe that wouldn’t be likely but I made the point based on that capacity goal and people at the meeting being told the cable net wouldn’t be an issue with development.

I then corrected you on the new South Stand roof on if it uses the old ring support or not. It doesn’t.
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Just thinking while in the focus group thread, maybe the club are expecting the safe standing to be given the go ahead and have factored that into the new target capacity. Just a thought.
 
blueparrot said:
Just thinking while in the focus group thread, maybe the club are expecting the safe standing to be given the go ahead and have factored that into the new target capacity. Just a thought.
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I think you are right with this. Current real capacity is about 54,700 max I believe. To get to 63,500 which is definitely the target requires 8,800 more. I can’t quite work out how the two tier option is 2,300 more than the south stand.

Edit - in fact I just have 160 in a row times and extra 15 rows is 2400 more seats. Surprising how a few extra rows makes such a difference. Basically the space where the boxes are is built over. Simple as that really.

Could we beat the 63,500 with safe standing?
 
blueparrot said:
Just thinking while in the focus group thread, maybe the club are expecting the safe standing to be given the go ahead and have factored that into the new target capacity. Just a thought.
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Absolutely the case
This is from the case for safe standing document
The capacity of the Veltins Arena in its Bundesliga configuration is 61,482. For matches under UEFA or FIFA regulations this reduces to 53,951. The total capacity of the standing areas is 16,307. When in seated configuration this reduces to 8,600. This is a ratio of 1:1.9 between seating and safe standing.
 
worsleyweb said:
I think you are right with this. Current real capacity is about 54,700 max I believe. To get to 63,500 which is definitely the target requires 8,800 more. I can’t quite work out how the two tier option is 2,300 more than the south stand.

Edit - in fact I just have 160 in a row times and extra 15 rows is 2400 more seats. Surprising how a few extra rows makes such a difference. Basically the space where the boxes are is built over. Simple as that really.

Could we beat the 63,500 with safe standing?
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If thats right then sounds like with safe standing we could get to around 70,000.
 
worsleyweb said:
I think you are right with this. Current real capacity is about 54,700 max I believe. To get to 63,500 which is definitely the target requires 8,800 more. I can’t quite work out how the two tier option is 2,300 more than the south stand.

Edit - in fact I just have 160 in a row times and extra 15 rows is 2400 more seats. Surprising how a few extra rows makes such a difference. Basically the space where the boxes are is built over. Simple as that really.

Could we beat the 63,500 with safe standing?
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The ‘space where the boxes are’ doesn’t look like it’s a thing from the diagram below.

It’s the space from the back of the current 2nd tier to the cable net which is important.

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ManCityX said:
The ‘space where the boxes are’ doesn’t look like it’s a thing from the diagram below.

It’s the space from the back of the current 2nd tier to the cable net which is important.

D8-C8-BF1-E-4-CBF-4-FEA-90-EE-6-A9-D51-ECF5-EF.jpg
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Sorry mate you have lost me!
 
worsleyweb said:
Sorry mate you have lost me!
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You said there would be room to build where the boxes are which would give a greater capacity.

There isn’t any extra space for more rows where the boxes are in that sense.

The diagram below shows how a third tier allows an overhang which allows for more rows than an extended second tier would.

Even having the extension at a steeper angle than in the diagram would give less rows than a third tier.

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I guess they could always make the rows closer together to squeeze a few more in and boost capacity that way.
 
worsleyweb said:
Sorry mate you have lost me!
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Just caught up with this thread....

By my sums repeating the South Stand build in the North Stand will add an additional 6,200 seats - new block number capacity would be as follows:-

332 - 600 seats
333 - 600 seats
334 - 600 seats
335 - 569 seats
336 - 732 seats
337 - 732 seats
338 - 569 seats
339 - 600 seats
340 - 600 seats
341 - 600 seats

So that would give us a usable capacity of 60,700'ish
Which means we're looking for another another 2,300 seats to get to 63,000...

The bottom row of North Stand Tier 3, if built in the style of the South Stand (without segregation and extra steps for Legend Lounge types) would be 224 seats. It is reasonable to assume that any in-fill seat rows would be the same capacity.

So if we slot in seven rows (about right) in the vertical space where the Boxes are now above Tier 2 in the North Stand, we adds a potential 1,568 further seats. Then add in the two small extensions to the north end of the East and West Stand 3rd Tiers (as per south end) adds about 130 seats in each corner so we get to 62,528... close but not 63,000. But don't forget we need to knock off the lost box space which I think is 14 boxes of 10 seats each, so 140. So we're down to 62,388. But... we need to consider the lost NE and NW Corner seats, of which there is (I think) about 75 seats in each, so you end up with a total of 62,388 - 150 = 62,238 - 762 short of the 63,000 figure without exercising some jigger pokery around to find another 191 seats in each of the four difficult open corners where the big screens are now and will end up...

NOTE1 - all of the above assumes the back few rows will still be able to slide in without fouling the existing cable net towers and tie ins

NOTE2 - someone asked for a mockup - did this in June
singletiernorthstand23.jpg


Alongside a Spurs/Dortmund wall version...
singletiernorthstand123.jpg


Compare with South Stand build today
NewSS1.jpg
 
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