Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

blueloon said:
Haven't they also introduced a bus service between the Etihad and Piccadily Station?
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Introduced? It was 2003 and sometimes hasn't run for night matches this season. If you are not on the first 1 or 2 it is walking pace as the crowd are on the road so not ideal.
 
Manchester33 said:
When 50k+ people leave a venue simultaneously, we have to expect a bit of congestion. There is a glaringly obvious issue though when public transport is the expensive option.

If public transport was included in the match ticket price and they increased the surge capacity for events like football matches, far more people would be inclined to use it, which would benefit the environment and local communities hugely.
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Not sure price is the issue. It’s the lack of trams that is the big problem.
 
blueloon said:
Our problem is no where as bad as what West Ham have got down in Stratford. Could it be that our problem is not really as bad as some people perceive it to be?
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Yes, the OS is awful to get away from. But at least you have the shopping centre. Whenever I've been I've booked into a restaurant post-match to let the queues die down (not ideal if you're rushing for the last train back from Euston though).

Our issues aren't as bad. But we shouldn't be using arguably the worst stadium in the PL as a comparison. We should look at the stadiums that deal with queues and wait times better and compare ourselves to them.

The be-all and end-all though, is that when 55k people leave a venue at the same time, there is going to be congestion. If you go for a day out, and you're happy to wait it's only a small inconvenience.
 
Corky said:
You don't provide extra services by making it all free, someone has to pay for it and transport in this country is a rip of charging 16 year olds full adult prices. So unless the club want to fork out a 6 figure subsidy for each game nothing will change.
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There need to be a proper survey around this. I personally love the walk from the Stadium to Station, but I understand that it is not always an option for all supports. Perhaps the club need to do more to encourage fans to stay at the stadium after the game. It worked well at Brighton a couple weeks ago as there fans can wait in the shelter of the stadium rather than in the dark, damp and cold condition which are going to be with us through the winter months.
 
Corky said:
Introduced? It was 2003 and sometimes hasn't run for night matches this season. If you are not on the first 1 or 2 it is walking pace as the crowd are on the road so not ideal.
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Yes, buses aren't the answer unless there can be a dedicated bus lane that's kept clear, and like the trams there would need to be a lot of buses to make a dent in the sheer amount of cars on the road trying to get away.
There may well be an answer but the ground location doesn't provide an easy and cheap answer, it would need a huge infrastucture investment.
 
Brighton and Southampton games had a normal Saturday service ie no extra trams to take thousands of people all leaving the Etihad.
First match we decided to walk. I'm very slowmy feet but we were nearly at Kensington stop before the first packed solid tram overtook us. People would not even be able to get on at the intermediate stops. Absolutely hopeless for football and non football travellers.
Second time we got a free bus. Queues well organised and quick to board but it's slow because of traffic.
Last time I went to the Swamp we got a train quickly from City end but were soon away right onto Piccadilly Station. Overwhelming feeling that the rags demand and get a better service from GMPTE than us.
 
Manchester33 said:
Integrate event tickets with local transport operators.
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How the hell will that be done given the mess that is the deregulated Greater Manchester bus services. It would have been straightforward in the 1970s when we had an integrated Greater Manchester bus operator but not with the current mess operators trying to cut each other’s throats.

I don’t know enough about the situation in Brighton or in Germany to comment. I do know that it could certainly be done in Edinburgh where most of the bus services are provide by the Council owned Lothian Transport run the buses and in London where the bus services continue to be regulated.
 
JGL07 said:
How the hell will that be done given the mess that is the deregulated Greater Manchester bus services. It would have been straightforward in the 1970s when we had an integrated Greater Manchester bus operator but not with the current mess operators trying to cut each other’s throats.

I don’t know enough about the situation in Brighton or in Germany to comment. I do know that it could certainly be done in Edinburgh where most of the bus services are provide by the Council owned Lothian Transport run the buses and in London where the bus services continue to be regulated.
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The tram is run by the council, so we could start with that.
 
Corky said:
You don't provide extra services by making it all free, someone has to pay for it and transport in this country is a rip of charging 16 year olds full adult prices. So unless the club want to fork out a 6 figure subsidy for each game nothing will change.
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The club could buy a fleet of electric buses and get a sponsor or sponsors to sponsor the buses.

The club could charge a £1 fare for the journey to the Etihad from Piccadilly Gardens, and £1 back again. Buses vary in size, but they can hold over 50 people. So City would make a minimum of £50 per ‘electric bus’ journey.

The club could offer a bus season ticket and add it to your season ticket card (perish the thought)

There are plenty of ways City, MCC, and GMPTE could come together and fund, work out, and find a better Matchday bus service and solution to the current bus service.

If OVG and City are integrating event tickets with local transport operators for the arena, why haven’t City done that yet for the Etihad, a decade on?(hmmm)
 
jrb said:
The club could buy a fleet of electric buses and get a sponsor or sponsors to sponsor the buses.

The club could charge a £1 fare for the journey to the Etihad from Piccadilly Gardens, and £1 back again. Buses vary in size, but they can hold over 50 people. So City would make a minimum of £50 per ‘electric bus’ journey.

The club could offer a bus season ticket and add it to your season ticket card (perish the thought)

There are plenty of ways City, MCC, and GMPTE could come together and fund, work out, and find a better Matchday bus service and solution to the current bus service.

If OVG and City are integrating event tickets with local transport operators for the arena, why haven’t City done that yet for the Etihad, a decade on?(hmmm)
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Sounds great but how many buses would be needed and if they are just stuck in the trafic after the game who'd use them.
 
blueloon said:
Our problem is no where as bad as what West Ham have got down in Stratford. Could it be that our problem is not really as bad as some people perceive it to be?
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Don't agree about West ham thought it was brilliant last week ,kept us on the move 2 stops at handheld stop signs no problems on the station or platform and seats on the tube
 
I had a thought the other week as I was walking past it.

There’s a large grassed area along Merrill Street that would make an ideal location for a Etihad stadium and Coop Live Arena transport interchange, where buses, Taxis, and additional Trams could wait for people leaving the Etihad stadium and the Coop Live Arena.

It’s less than 5 minutes down Ashton New Road from the Etihad. It’s distance from the stadium and arena would stagger people arriving, it’s closer to town, and the buses wouldn’t get stuck behind people walking along Ashton New Road after the match. On a matchday the only use for that large grassed area is people parking their cars along the roads and on the grass verges.

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Man_City_Loyal said:
is it bad at west ham?
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I have always found it easy getting away from the West Ham stadium if you keep away from Stratford and use the Hackney Wick overground which is the fastest way back to Euston anyway. Hackney Wick is much closer to the stadium than Stratford. The traffic on the nearby roads seemed very quiet last week immediately after the match, presumably because most people use public transport. Fans have a choice of main line station (Stratford International); Overground at Hackney Wick or Stratford; and Docklands LIght Railway. On the other hand Spurs was a nightmare.
 
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People are coming up with some very good ideas but seem to have missed the point that The Club don't give a shit about us anymore. So I wouldn't waste anymore time with your well intended suggestions.
 
Wilmslow Road said:
People are coming up with some very good ideas but seem to have missed the point that The Club don't give a shit about us anymore. So I wouldn't waste anymore time with your well intended suggestions.
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Seems it's more about the transport and road network than the club, so not sure your point makes sense.
 
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