Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Just had a look through what I scribbled down. A bit messy. So some of the snippets might not be 101% accurate. But I‘ve done my best to be as accurate as possible in whatI’ve posted. :-)

In no particular order.

Taxi drop of points. Uber mentioned, but black cabs and other private cabs weren’t mentioned

The capacity of the arena has risen to 24,000+ depending on the act and the configuration of the sets. It was 23,500.

Dakteonics are doing the LED screen around the top of the arena.
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The canal side bar will be open all year round not just on concert and event days.

The arena will be open 3 hours before the concert starts so people can get in early, have drinks, food and relax. OVG don’t want everyone arriving at the same time.

There will be no electronic branding inside the arena bowl when the artists are playing. The artists who they’ve spoken to have specifically asked for that. The corporate boxes will have curtains so any light, TV screens, etc can be blacked out.

There will be an internal acoustic roof. Above that will be the outer roof made up of rectangular cassettes that will be dropped into place. The roof will be sat on bearings that will move 2mills in each direction.

There will be test events once the arena is built.

There will be 120 events in the first year, rising to 150 events in the following years.

OVG will be working with City to cross train staff at the ground so they can also work at the arena if they want to do that.

In the end 1850 piles were sunk into the ground. That was one of the delays.

27,000m3 of concrete.

120,000 m3 of soil excavated.

The facade is 25,000m2.

The arena is 5 stories tall.

10,000 tons of steel.

7 cores.

Bam will do the full fit out.

Due to Covid, Brexit, and the Ukraine war costs across the arena have risen.

There are 14 roof trusses. 108 metres long.

The arena will have the biggest arena standing floor in the UK.

The plan is to not have matches and concerts at same time. If that does happen, there will be speacial measures put into place to deal with the crowds.

You will be able to use an app to order drinks and food at the bars. There will be vending machines selling beer, etc, so you don’t have to queue up. OVG is working with local food companies who will supply the food. Food will range from burgers, hotdogs, pizzas, etc, all the way up to Michelin starred food. They have employed a Michelin starred chef.

The investment in the arena is £365mill. The arena will have a £1.5bill impact on the local area. Didn’t say specifically in what way.

Lots of other snippets that I didn’t have time to scribble down.

Make no mistake take about it, regardless of how the arena looks externally, which has been questioned, it will be the best arena in the UK. Probably in Europe. As for the world, it would have to go some to beat the arenas in America.
 
jrb said:
Just had a look through what I scribbled down. A bit messy. So some of the snippets might not be 101% accurate. But I‘ve done my best to be as accurate as possible in whatI’ve posted. :-)

In no particular order.

Taxi drop of points. Uber mentioned, but black cabs and other private cabs weren’t mentioned

The capacity of the arena has risen to 24,000+ depending on the act and the configuration of the sets. It was 23,500.

Dakteonics are doing the LED screen around the top of the arena.
www.daktronics.com

Daktronics LED Message Displays | Dynamic Communication Solutions

Discover Daktronics' LED message displays for businesses and communities. Deliver real-time information with clarity and impact.
www.daktronics.com www.daktronics.com

The canal side bar will be open all year round not just on concert and event days.

The arena will be open 3 hours before the concert starts so people can get in early, have drinks, food and relax. OVG don’t want everyone arriving at the same time.

There will be no electronic branding inside the arena bowl when the artists are playing. The artists who they’ve spoken to have specifically asked for that. The corporate boxes will have curtains so any light, TV screens, etc can be blacked out.

There will be an internal acoustic roof. Above that will be the outer roof made up of rectangular cassettes that will be dropped into place. The roof will be sat on bearings that will move 2mills in each direction.

There will be test events once the arena is built.

There will be 120 events in the first year, rising to 150 events in the following years.

OVG will be working with City to cross train staff at the ground so they can also work at the arena if they want to do that.

In the end 1850 piles were sunk into the ground. That was one of the delays.

27,000m3 of concrete.

120,000 m3 of soil excavated.

The facade is 25,000m2.

The arena is 5 stories tall.

10,000 tons of steel.

7 cores.

Bam will do the full fit out.

Due to Covid, Brexit, and the Ukraine war costs across the arena have risen.

There are 14 roof trusses. 108 metres long.

The arena will have the biggest arena standing floor in the UK.

The plan is to not have matches and concerts at same time. If that does happen, there will be speacial measures put into place to deal with the crowds.

You will be able to use an app to order drinks and food at the bars. There will be vending machines selling beer, etc, so you don’t have to queue up. OVG is working with local food companies who will supply the food. Food will range from burgers, hotdogs, pizzas, etc, all the way up to Michelin starred food. They have employed a Michelin starred chef.

The investment in the arena is £365mill. The arena will have a £1.5bill impact on the local area. Didn’t say specifically in what way.

Lots of other snippets that I didn’t have time to scribble down.

Make no mistake take about it, regardless of how the arena looks externally, which has been questioned, it will be the best arena in the UK. Probably in Europe. As for the world, it would have to go some to beat the arenas in America.
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So the Manchester Arena will expand to 24,000 and the co-op arena will now be 24,000 plus?

Lol.
 
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jrb said:
Just had a look through what I scribbled down. A bit messy. So some of the snippets might not be 101% accurate. But I‘ve done my best to be as accurate as possible in whatI’ve posted. :-)

In no particular order.

Taxi drop of points. Uber mentioned, but black cabs and other private cabs weren’t mentioned

The capacity of the arena has risen to 24,000+ depending on the act and the configuration of the sets. It was 23,500.

Dakteonics are doing the LED screen around the top of the arena.
www.daktronics.com

Daktronics LED Message Displays | Dynamic Communication Solutions

Discover Daktronics' LED message displays for businesses and communities. Deliver real-time information with clarity and impact.
www.daktronics.com www.daktronics.com

The canal side bar will be open all year round not just on concert and event days.

The arena will be open 3 hours before the concert starts so people can get in early, have drinks, food and relax. OVG don’t want everyone arriving at the same time.

There will be no electronic branding inside the arena bowl when the artists are playing. The artists who they’ve spoken to have specifically asked for that. The corporate boxes will have curtains so any light, TV screens, etc can be blacked out.

There will be an internal acoustic roof. Above that will be the outer roof made up of rectangular cassettes that will be dropped into place. The roof will be sat on bearings that will move 2mills in each direction.

There will be test events once the arena is built.

There will be 120 events in the first year, rising to 150 events in the following years.

OVG will be working with City to cross train staff at the ground so they can also work at the arena if they want to do that.

In the end 1850 piles were sunk into the ground. That was one of the delays.

27,000m3 of concrete.

120,000 m3 of soil excavated.

The facade is 25,000m2.

The arena is 5 stories tall.

10,000 tons of steel.

7 cores.

Bam will do the full fit out.

Due to Covid, Brexit, and the Ukraine war costs across the arena have risen.

There are 14 roof trusses. 108 metres long.

The arena will have the biggest arena standing floor in the UK.

The plan is to not have matches and concerts at same time. If that does happen, there will be speacial measures put into place to deal with the crowds.

You will be able to use an app to order drinks and food at the bars. There will be vending machines selling beer, etc, so you don’t have to queue up. OVG is working with local food companies who will supply the food. Food will range from burgers, hotdogs, pizzas, etc, all the way up to Michelin starred food. They have employed a Michelin starred chef.

The investment in the arena is £365mill. The arena will have a £1.5bill impact on the local area. Didn’t say specifically in what way.

Lots of other snippets that I didn’t have time to scribble down.

Make no mistake take about it, regardless of how the arena looks externally, which has been questioned, it will be the best arena in the UK. Probably in Europe. As for the world, it would have to go some to beat the arenas in America.
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Well done @jrb for writing all this down, still say they need multi-storey cars that serve both venues, the easy the solution is to use the old gas holders sites , that way you not eating into any car parking spaces
 
Quite an interesting video that shows you how land banked most of the stadiums are in the EPL , the more you see Chelsea ground form the back the more it looks like what City are doing

 
LEXSTARproject said:
Well done @jrb for writing all this down, still say they need multi-storey cars that serve both venues, the easy the solution is to use the old gas holders sites , that way you not eating into any car parking spaces
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Using the old gasometers as multi storey car parks ... where will these be exiting? Alan Turing Way is already at almost a standstill after the game, and the only other exit road would be onto an already congested Bradford Rd, which on turning right will immediately join the chaos on the Alan Turing Way/Briscoe Lane junction. Left down to Great Ancoats St, which is pretty rammed daily without match traffic.
 
Holcombe bloo said:
I haven’t heard anything, but I’ve stated several times it’s the most realistic option to get large amounts of people away quickly and cheaply with minimal infrastructure . Think about 200 modern electric buses and how little space they take up on the roads taking 20,000 people away to various towns and remote parking hubs. Compared to around 7 to 8000 cars doing the same thing, the majority of which aren’t going to be electric any time soon.
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Who exactly is paying the approx £100m to purchase these 200 electric buses?
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Well done @jrb for writing all this down, still say they need multi-storey cars that serve both venues, the easy the solution is to use the old gas holders sites , that way you not eating into any car parking spaces
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We can build all the multi stories or car parks we want, simply though the roads and layout as they are can't cope with what we have more cars will only make it worse.It will need the will and the budget for a rethink of the roads and layout. Not sure either are available with the council.
 
blueparrot said:
We can build all the multi stories or car parks we want, simply though the roads and layout as they are can't cope with what we have more cars will only make it worse.It will need the will and the budget for a rethink of the roads and layout. Not sure either are available with the council.
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With a bit of lateral thinking from transport planing could they temporarly turn Ashton New Road into 1 way road from the stadium to Ancoats after the game
 
bluesmith said:
Who exactly is paying the approx £100m to purchase these 200 electric buses?
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At a guess I’d say tgfm could pay half at least and use them Mon to Friday to replace much of the older diesel stock.
then prob 25 percent each from mcfc and from silverlake for the use in the evening and weekend for their events. Something like that, and I think it would be more like £150m+. Don’t forget as far as city and the arena are concerned it only needs to break even at say £2 a trip.

What this is all about is getting punters in and out of the campus with the least fuss possible. Like vegas they don’t care if they need cheaper flights in they want you their so you have a good time and spend cash.
 
Holcombe bloo said:
At a guess I’d say tgfm could pay half at least and use them Mon to Friday to replace much of the older diesel stock.
then prob 25 percent each from mcfc and from silverlake for the use in the evening and weekend for their events. Something like that, and I think it would be more like £150m+. Don’t forget as far as city and the arena are concerned it only needs to break even at say £2 a trip.

What this is all about is getting punters in and out of the campus with the least fuss possible. Like vegas they don’t care if they need cheaper flights in they want you their so you have a good time and spend cash.
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Cant see tfgm putting anything like that in and I just cant see City spending that money, when it wont improve the bottom line as it isnt going to increase attendances.
 
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bluesmith said:
I just can see them that spending money, when it wont improve anyones bottom line.
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That’s exactly why they need to spend some, if people have a bad experience with getting to events it puts them off going. Many in here have said the same. Our owners have spent well over a billion, silverlake well over £150. More to come on north stand and hotel etc. They aren’t going to hesitate spending £30-40m each if it keeps the project on its target of success and making money. And ultimately the fleet of buses will pay for itself, it’s just an initial investment.

as it’s stands if events clash on the campus it will be carnage and thousands will stop going. Most car parks 10 mins walk from the ground are currently charging £10, with in 3 years tops that will be £15 Plus. Even more reason to pay to use a good bus service.
 
Holcombe bloo said:
That’s exactly why they need to spend some, if people have a bad experience with getting to events it puts them off going. Many in here have said the same. Our owners have spent well over a billion, silverlake well over £150. More to come on north stand and hotel etc. They aren’t going to hesitate spending £30-40m each if it keeps the project on its target of success and making money. And ultimately the fleet of buses will pay for itself, it’s just an initial investment.

as it’s stands if events clash on the campus it will be carnage and thousands will stop going. Most car parks 10 mins walk from the ground are currently charging £10, with in 3 years tops that will be £15 Plus. Even more reason to pay to use a good bus service.
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There is no evidence to support this though, we sell out every single game. There will be very few clashes of Arena and Etihad events and when they do the times will not be the same ie main acts at the arena playing 9-11ish.

The transport is poor but people still go week in week out with demand only getting higher.

If this was the plan it would be all over the Arena info, the Stadium expansion consultations and the extended parking zone consultation, its not because it isnt feasible.
 
bluesmith said:
There is no evidence to support this though, we sell out every single game. There will be very few clashes of Arena and Etihad events and when they do the times will not be the same ie main acts at the arena playing 9-11ish.

The transport is poor but people still go week in week out with demand only getting higher.

If this was the plan it would be all over the Arena info, the Stadium expansion consultations and the extended parking zone consultation, its not because it isnt feasible.
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Well we’ll disagree mate and we’ll see. Events will clash that is a certainty At the stated 150 events per year booked months in advance.
where are you going to park when that happens with the current transport and less parking offerings? at least 3-4000 extra cars will be heading to the new arena. Most car parks round the ground are full an hour before the game at present. 7000 extra city fans post extension and 24,000 arena goers will overwhelm car parks 90 minutes before an 8pm ok. And they will be charged £15 minimum for the privilege. Most people who attend night matches in particular are unable to get there for 6.30pm or earlier.
 
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