tolmie's hairdoo said:Shaelumstash said:tolmie's hairdoo said:There's pretty much zero parking in the plans. Whole area very much pedestrianised.
City are building structures anywhere the space is available.
Re the casino land. The club have struggled to find a suitable partner in the current downturn.
They don't want just any old thing, so could be a little while longer.
Someone spoke to recently said to expect it more in line with Salford Quays than Vegas.
Call centres (Etihad, no doubt), National HQs, shops, canal side bars and hotels. Money they can get major rental incomes from.
Sounds much more practical, but with the wow factor in terms both of green space and the stadium and training facility the jewels.
Think the canal side developments in Birmingham if anybody knows them.
It's an interesting thought, but I just don't see that kind of development being feasible. There is already so much vacant leisure space in the city centre and Salford Keys, that I think it would be commercial suicide to just throw up a load of canal side commercial and leisure space and hope tenants will pay to rent it.
It's absolutely a buyers market in Manchester for commercial and leisure space at the moment, and with no magnet to pull people to the Campus site, why on earth would any restaurant / bar / leisure facility want to open premises there? Other than on a match day it is like a ghost town round there, there's no footfall whatsoever. Imagine a string of bars and restaurants being open there now, who would go? Similar developments at Leftbank, Printworks, Salford Keys are absolutely dead at night time during the week, and they've all got a huge advantage in terms of location and facilities.
The only way such a development could succeed in that location is if there was some other major attraction drawing people to the area. For example if the Manchester Arena didn't already exist, a facility like that catering to 20k people a night, 150 nights a year, there would be a knock on trade for bars and restaurants locally. It would take something on that scale to drive enough people to the area to make it attractive for bars / restaurants.
I hate to put a dampener on people's expectations, but I just can't see a possible viable large scale tourist attraction working there. DisneyWorld Beswick is just not going to happen.
The footfall will be the employees working in the area. It's no theory!
Many of the businesses will have links or mutual alliances with Abu Dhabi. Don't do our mob a disservice.
If they wanted to build a white elephant it would be up already.
There is a balance to be struck between leisure and commercial.
It's on a visual scale akin to the Olympic site in London.
Edit: who said we aren't getting an Arena!
fbloke said:If you've ever been to Media City you can see the exact type of development that Tolmie is on about.
I'm not sure it would bring in massive revenues as the Trafford Centre has revenues of just over £80m before of costs.
Also do we need a further, similar development only a few miles away? Remember that Salford Quays has big advantages over East Mcr as well with decades of experience in hand.
They have a football club, they have the Beeb and soon to be ITV, they have other media partners as well as industry and office space and leisure but most of the time the place is dead.
Shaelumstash said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Shaelumstash said:It's an interesting thought, but I just don't see that kind of development being feasible. There is already so much vacant leisure space in the city centre and Salford Keys, that I think it would be commercial suicide to just throw up a load of canal side commercial and leisure space and hope tenants will pay to rent it.
It's absolutely a buyers market in Manchester for commercial and leisure space at the moment, and with no magnet to pull people to the Campus site, why on earth would any restaurant / bar / leisure facility want to open premises there? Other than on a match day it is like a ghost town round there, there's no footfall whatsoever. Imagine a string of bars and restaurants being open there now, who would go? Similar developments at Leftbank, Printworks, Salford Keys are absolutely dead at night time during the week, and they've all got a huge advantage in terms of location and facilities.
The only way such a development could succeed in that location is if there was some other major attraction drawing people to the area. For example if the Manchester Arena didn't already exist, a facility like that catering to 20k people a night, 150 nights a year, there would be a knock on trade for bars and restaurants locally. It would take something on that scale to drive enough people to the area to make it attractive for bars / restaurants.
I hate to put a dampener on people's expectations, but I just can't see a possible viable large scale tourist attraction working there. DisneyWorld Beswick is just not going to happen.
The footfall will be the employees working in the area. It's no theory!
Many of the businesses will have links or mutual alliances with Abu Dhabi. Don't do our mob a disservice.
If they wanted to build a white elephant it would be up already.
There is a balance to be struck between leisure and commercial.
It's on a visual scale akin to the Olympic site in London.
Edit: who said we aren't getting an Arena!
Right, so you're saying they are going to build a huge office development and all of the restaurants and bars etc are going to feed the workers in those offices? Well in that case it is the offices which are the "Magnet" that I was referring to that will bring people to the area. It's obviously a step in a different direction from the tourist attraction that was initially mooted, which was actually my original question.
I've not said we aren't getting an arena, that's the question I'm asking, does anyone have an update on this. Although, again I would think it is probably not a prudent idea to open an arena 2 miles away from the 2nd busiest indoor concert arena in the world, in a worse location.
pride in battle said:^^^^^^^^^
that's what Tolmie said regarding 'mind blowing' plans, so Tolmie which one is it?
I thought that's what the Collar site was ear-marked for - a major attraction that would draw in people. The transport infrastructure is already in place with Piccadilly Station, Victoria Station, the Metrolink and the M60 and the immediate vicinity will be much more attractive once the Training Ground and Leisure Centre etc are up and running. The area is a lot more attractive than you suggest.Shaelumstash said:tolmie's hairdoo said:There's pretty much zero parking in the plans. Whole area very much pedestrianised.
City are building structures anywhere the space is available.
Re the casino land. The club have struggled to find a suitable partner in the current downturn.
They don't want just any old thing, so could be a little while longer.
Someone spoke to recently said to expect it more in line with Salford Quays than Vegas.
Call centres (Etihad, no doubt), National HQs, shops, canal side bars and hotels. Money they can get major rental incomes from.
Sounds much more practical, but with the wow factor in terms both of green space and the stadium and training facility the jewels.
Think the canal side developments in Birmingham if anybody knows them.
It's an interesting thought, but I just don't see that kind of development being feasible. There is already so much vacant leisure space in the city centre and Salford Keys, that I think it would be commercial suicide to just throw up a load of canal side commercial and leisure space and hope tenants will pay to rent it.
It's absolutely a buyers market in Manchester for commercial and leisure space at the moment, and with no magnet to pull people to the Campus site, why on earth would any restaurant / bar / leisure facility want to open premises there? Other than on a match day it is like a ghost town round there, there's no footfall whatsoever. Imagine a string of bars and restaurants being open there now, who would go? Similar developments at Leftbank, Printworks, Salford Keys are absolutely dead at night time during the week, and they've all got a huge advantage in terms of location and facilities.
The only way such a development could succeed in that location is if there was some other major attraction drawing people to the area. For example if the Manchester Arena didn't already exist, a facility liket catering to 20k people a night, 150 nights a year, there would be a knock on trade for bars and restaurants locally. It would take something on that scale to drive enough people to the area to make it attractive for bars / restaurants.
I hate to put a dampener on people's expectations, but I just can't see a possible viable large scale tourist attraction working there. DisneyWorld Beswick is just not going to happen.