Marvin said:I thought that's what the Collar site was ear-marked for - a major attraction that would draw in people. The transport infrastructure is already in place with Piccadilly Station, Victoria Station, the Metrolink and the M60 and the immediate vicinity will be much more attractive once the Training Ground and Leisure Centre etc are up and running. The area is a lot more attractive than you suggest.Shaelumstash said:tolmie's hairdoo said:There's pretty much zero parking in the plans. Whole area very much pedestrianised.
City are building structures anywhere the space is available.
Re the casino land. The club have struggled to find a suitable partner in the current downturn.
They don't want just any old thing, so could be a little while longer.
Someone spoke to recently said to expect it more in line with Salford Quays than Vegas.
Call centres (Etihad, no doubt), National HQs, shops, canal side bars and hotels. Money they can get major rental incomes from.
Sounds much more practical, but with the wow factor in terms both of green space and the stadium and training facility the jewels.
Think the canal side developments in Birmingham if anybody knows them.
It's an interesting thought, but I just don't see that kind of development being feasible. There is already so much vacant leisure space in the city centre and Salford Keys, that I think it would be commercial suicide to just throw up a load of canal side commercial and leisure space and hope tenants will pay to rent it.
It's absolutely a buyers market in Manchester for commercial and leisure space at the moment, and with no magnet to pull people to the Campus site, why on earth would any restaurant / bar / leisure facility want to open premises there? Other than on a match day it is like a ghost town round there, there's no footfall whatsoever. Imagine a string of bars and restaurants being open there now, who would go? Similar developments at Leftbank, Printworks, Salford Keys are absolutely dead at night time during the week, and they've all got a huge advantage in terms of location and facilities.
The only way such a development could succeed in that location is if there was some other major attraction drawing people to the area. For example if the Manchester Arena didn't already exist, a facility liket catering to 20k people a night, 150 nights a year, there would be a knock on trade for bars and restaurants locally. It would take something on that scale to drive enough people to the area to make it attractive for bars / restaurants.
I hate to put a dampener on people's expectations, but I just can't see a possible viable large scale tourist attraction working there. DisneyWorld Beswick is just not going to happen.
And the UK Commercial and Real Estate climate is doing very well, with valuations doubling over 12 months eg St Modwen Properties and Barratt Developments
MaineRoadBlue said:We need to rebuild a retro Belle-Vue Theme Park.
Have it just like I remember in the 70's with the Bobs Rollercoaster, Circus and Zoo all at the heart of East Manchester.
I used to live in Burnage at the time and it felt like the 169 bus had taken me to Las Vegas/Blackpool for just 2p!
Those were the days; Platform shoes, Flares, Round Collar Paisley Pattern Shirts and a centre parting in my shoulder length hair. Best of all, City were still fairly decent too and United were relegated and truly shite!
Wonderful memories.
Sounds interesting, so they want a tourist destination that will attract 600 people a day? Well by my calculations say those 600 spend an average £20 a day, 365 days a year, that's roughly £4.4m a year in revenue pre tax. That's before a partner has taken their share and cost of producing food / drink is taken out, so lets assume net to City of £2m a year.tolmie's hairdoo said:Shaelumstash said:tolmie's hairdoo said:The footfall will be the employees working in the area. It's no theory!
Many of the businesses will have links or mutual alliances with Abu Dhabi. Don't do our mob a disservice.
If they wanted to build a white elephant it would be up already.
There is a balance to be struck between leisure and commercial.
It's on a visual scale akin to the Olympic site in London.
Edit: who said we aren't getting an Arena!
Right, so you're saying they are going to build a huge office development and all of the restaurants and bars etc are going to feed the workers in those offices? Well in that case it is the offices which are the "Magnet" that I was referring to that will bring people to the area. It's obviously a step in a different direction from the tourist attraction that was initially mooted, which was actually my original question.
I've not said we aren't getting an arena, that's the question I'm asking, does anyone have an update on this. Although, again I would think it is probably not a prudent idea to open an arena 2 miles away from the 2nd busiest indoor concert arena in the world, in a worse location.
In terms of an arena, think more Excel than MEN, otherwise won't fly with council.
More suitable for a basketball venue, UFC shows;)
I was told to consider the new training facility and up to 600 people in that locality on any given day.
Added to the workers for the surrounding areas, in addition to the leisure partner they finally go with, they are happy with their template.
It will be absolutely stunning, but I fear this thread has taken it into realms of fantasy, race track, casinos etc.
They want to attract people to move to the area. Again, if the office worker family live in the locality, in flats of quality build, yet affordable, they spend what they earn on the infrastructure we build.
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pride in battle said:^^^^^^^^^
that's what Tolmie said regarding 'mind blowing' plans, so Tolmie which one is it?
As stated.
Thanks for the info GX, but didn't the turkey's already vote for xmas in January in the vote Reading abstained from?GXCity said:The decision makers at the club keep things very tight, but for what it's worth, things have gone pretty quiet recently on the public front following the City Academy plans. I would suggest that something is imminent. What date do they vote for Premier League FFP again? What's the betting we announce something the day after the turkeys vote for Christmas and watch them all squirm :)
Before anyone asks I honestly do not know when they will announce anything. It is just my opinion (and wish!)
Shaelumstash said:Thanks for the info GX, but didn't the turkey's already vote for xmas in January in the vote Reading abstained from?GXCity said:The decision makers at the club keep things very tight, but for what it's worth, things have gone pretty quiet recently on the public front following the City Academy plans. I would suggest that something is imminent. What date do they vote for Premier League FFP again? What's the betting we announce something the day after the turkeys vote for Christmas and watch them all squirm :)
Before anyone asks I honestly do not know when they will announce anything. It is just my opinion (and wish!)
Think it's a bit late for that one mate. Looking forward to seeing if we're still going to go ahead with a leisure destination though.GXCity said:Shaelumstash said:Thanks for the info GX, but didn't the turkey's already vote for xmas in January in the vote Reading abstained from?GXCity said:The decision makers at the club keep things very tight, but for what it's worth, things have gone pretty quiet recently on the public front following the City Academy plans. I would suggest that something is imminent. What date do they vote for Premier League FFP again? What's the betting we announce something the day after the turkeys vote for Christmas and watch them all squirm :)
Before anyone asks I honestly do not know when they will announce anything. It is just my opinion (and wish!)
Not info this time as I really have know idea about timings of public announcements. Just an opinion mate.
I would just love to see their smug faces leaving the vote thinking they have derailed our plans....then boom.....put that in your pipe and smoke it!