EU referendum

[Tim of the Oak]

Did you actually read my post? Let me try again.

The legislation is created and drafted by the European commission with NO democratic mandate. The MEP's and council only get to vote on the legislation presented to them which NOTE of the European population have had chance to vote on. Is that really too difficult for you to understand.

The MEP'S across Europe have no way of saying to the people vote for me and I will implement XYZ because that is all decided by unelected bureucrats.

The way it works is that the European Commission (and the Council for that matter) think through what MEPS are likely to agree to before progressing legislation.

It's far from perfect but the Commission don't just make up legislation. They consult with the Council of Ministers and the Social Partners!

 

[mcfc1632]

Not sure if it's been covered already, but that outburst from Juncker was a little strange...I mean, flexing on an 'opponent' is one thing, but when you want them to go your way, why poke the hornet's nest?

It's almost as if he wanted to provoke a Leave backlash...are we seeing a covert plea to change the EU from someone inside who could never explicitly voice such thoughts for fear of reprisal on their career? An institutionalised cry for help? Are we being asked to slay the EU by the monster itself?

Just part of the coordinated strategy led by Dave - the last couple if days he has clearly decided that he wants to close down on people thinking that a Leave vote could then lead to further concessions from Europe. In the same way he has brigaded Obama et al to make statements. You will have noticed that Dave has been saying IRREVERSIBLE a lot the last couple of days - and now that is reinforced by Hollande, Tusk, Juncker etc.

Just stage management

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Any polls late last night ? Any vibes?

I learned that they're quite looking forward to the Switzerland match.

 

[manctheknife]

Remember that next time you visit a doctor or surgeon. Oh forgot, leaders of the NHS also advise a remain vote.

Wealthy men all....oh and I have a doctorate.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

OK. I agree with you!

See it means you are not a racist...............................................................


Or are you?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Would it be correct to assume that Leave has a near 4 million head start with the Ukip voters bringing their votes from the general election to the ballot box today?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Remember that next time you visit a doctor or surgeon. Oh forgot, leaders of the NHS also advise a remain vote.

Yeah never met a poor head of NHS yet

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Just part of the coordinated strategy led by Dave - the last couple if days he has clearly decided that he wants to close down on people thinking that a Leave vote could then lead to further concessions from Europe. In the same way he has brigaded Obama et al to make statements. You will have noticed that Dave has been saying IRREVERSIBLE a lot the last couple of days - and now that is reinforced by Hollande, Tusk, Juncker etc.

Just stage management

You mean, he's acting like all the rest of the politicians?
Anything applied to the behaviour of one side will have a reflection in the other side, just not necessarily with the polemics written to exaggerate it.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Would it be correct to assume that Leave has a near 4 million head start with the Ukip voters bringing their votes from the general election to the ballot box today?

So that negates Scotland?

 

[manctheknife]

So that negates Scotland?

Maybe. Can we assume that the half who voted to leave the UK will be voting to stay in the EU, and vice versa?...it's a fucked up world1