EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

Funny you say that, as the people advocating we stay in are doing just that, foreseeing the future and all the impending doom an out vote brings.
Portraying the future as if it is set in stone is the "In campaign" in a nutshell.

Yes much of what I have seen from both sides is incredibly poor -

 

[whp.blue]

Your last question is an important point.

The right wing tabloid owning twats that unfortunately sway a lot of the electorate want us out of the E.U not because of immigrants etc but because it currently stops them forming even bigger monopolies. We come out of the E.U. and Murdoch etc can pave the way to buy up much more media outlets.

Which is only a problem if you are guliible enough to believe anything that is written in the press in the first place!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35636838

198 businesses, including 36 from the ftse 100 warn leaving will threaten jobs and put the UK economy at risk.

36% of the ftse companies I have seen quoted they expected 80% mind you what about the 0ther 63% ?

and I think you will find the vast majority of small businesses will be in favour of coming out as they don't have their noses in the trough like the ftse companies do

What amazes me in this campaign already is how all of a sudden Left wingers, who have spent over one hundred years fighting big businesses through the unions, are suddenly putting those same big businesses forward as paragons of virtue and common sense.

 

[grunge]

36% of the ftse companies I have seen quoted they expected 80% mind you what about the 0ther 63% ?

and I think you will find the vast majority of small businesses will be in favour of coming out as they don't have their noses in the trough like the ftse companies do

What amazes me in this campaign already is how all of a sudden Left wingers, who have spent over one hundred years fighting big businesses through the unions, are suddenly putting those same big businesses forward as paragons of virtue and common sense.

For me it's common sense, multinational shareholder based companies are by there very nature psychopathic, with the single aim of making more money for shareholders, if they decide they can make more money by moving into Europe if we leave the EU they will, and won't bat an eye lid and laying off tens/hundreds of thousands doing it. Multiply that by the thousands of shareholder based companies in the UK, even if it's only 25% of those big companies that decide to leave its will be carnage.

That's what I see happening if we leave. In the long term,we may prosper, but the short term your looking at mass unemployment and possibly another massive global recession.

It's not a left or right wing view, just the reality of the world we live in.

 

[Len Rum]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35636838

198 businesses, including 36 from the ftse 100 warn leaving will threaten jobs and put the UK economy at risk.

Why were they advising us to vote Tory at the last election then?
If Brexit is such a risk surely five years of a 'no referendum Tory lite' Red Ed Government would have been a safer option?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Why were they advising us to vote Tory at the last election then?
If Brexit is such a risk surely five years of a 'no referendum Tory lite' Red Ed Government would have been a safer option?

The 198 businesses? Don't they mean the 198 CEOs, Chairmen, Finance Directors et al who are more concerned with their own circumstances, eye-watering salaries and bonuses, than the good of the UK?

 

[bluwes]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35636838

198 businesses, including 36 from the ftse 100 warn leaving will threaten jobs and put the UK economy at risk.

Surely these couldn't be the same businesses that warned if we didn't join the Euro currency then it would be a disaster for Britain

 

[SWP's back]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35636838

198 businesses, including 36 from the ftse 100 warn leaving will threaten jobs and put the UK economy at risk.

So 64 from the FTSE don't agree? The Tories contacted all of them remember when putting this letter together.

 

[SWP's back]

Funny you say that, as the people advocating we stay in are doing just that, foreseeing the future and all the impending doom an out vote brings.
Portraying the future as if it is set in stone is the "In campaign" in a nutshell.

He literally only has the fear factor as his weapon.

He doesn't care about borders, democracy or sovereignty.

 

[SWP's back]

For me it's common sense, multinational shareholder based companies are by there very nature psychopathic, with the single aim of making more money for shareholders, if they decide they can make more money by moving into Europe if we leave the EU they will, and won't bat an eye lid and laying off tens/hundreds of thousands doing it. Multiply that by the thousands of shareholder based companies in the UK, even if it's only 25% of those big companies that decide to leave its will be carnage.

That's what I see happening if we leave. In the long term,we may prosper, but the short term your looking at mass unemployment and possibly another massive global recession.

It's not a left or right wing view, just the reality of the world we live in.

You think 25% of big companies would leave the Uk?

It won't even be 1%.

And when are you getting your global recession from based on an EU exit?

 

[grunge]

You think 25% of big companies would leave the Uk?

It won't even be 1%.

And when are you getting your global recession from based on an EU exit?

I think your in wishful thinking land with 1% and underestimating the idea that companies are in it to make money, not for the good of the employees.

Just the idea of exiting is hitting the pound against other currencies ( lowest against the Dollar in nearly 10 years ), us exiting would hammer the pound, cause massive uncertainty in the Euro which both would cause major financial ripples around the globe, and with the global finances still being rather delicate its not a push to see a global recession kicking off because of it.

 

[EalingBlue2]

So 64 from the FTSE don't agree? The Tories contacted all of them remember when putting this letter together.

I would imagine in that 64 most just don't want to take a public position, due to not having done due diligence, for fears of impact on customers or shareholders, because they don't actually have a position and because in some cases they are divided or no. The likelihood is most will have similar interests to the big businesses who signed but just have a different policy or perspective on going public.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I think your in wishful thinking land with 1% and underestimating the idea that companies are in it to make money, not for the good of the employees.

Just the idea of exiting is hitting the pound against other currencies ( lowest against the Dollar in nearly 10 years ), us exiting would hammer the pound, cause massive uncertainty in the Euro which both would cause major financial ripples around the globe, and with the global finances still being rather delicate its not a push to see a global recession kicking off because of it.

A global recession is looking a possibility anyway without any extra uncertainty

 

[SWP's back]

I think your in wishful thinking land with 1% and underestimating the idea that companies are in it to make money, not for the good of the employees.

Just the idea of exiting is hitting the pound against other currencies ( lowest against the Dollar in nearly 10 years ), us exiting would hammer the pound, cause massive uncertainty in the Euro which both would cause major financial ripples around the globe, and with the global finances still being rather delicate its not a push to see a global recession kicking off because of it.

The pound weakening is what, good or bad for the UK economy net?

 

[SWP's back]

I would imagine in that 64 most just don't want to take a public position, due to not having done due diligence, for fears of impact on customers or shareholders, because they don't actually have a position and because in some cases they are divided or no. The likelihood is most will have similar interests to the big businesses who signed but just have a different policy or perspective on going public.

Lol.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The Out Team

Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
George Galloway
Michael Gove
Ian Duncan Smith
Former Tory treasurer and banker Peter Cruddas
Leader of the House of Commons Chris Grayling
Culture Secretary John Whittingdale
Employment Minister Priti Patel
Conservative London mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith
Phones4U founder John Caudwell
historian Andrew Roberts
Nobel Peace Prize winner Lord Trimble.
Michael Caine


The In Team

David Cameron
Jeremy Corbyn
George Osbourne
Theresa May
Nicola Sturgeon
Richard Branson
Ed Miliband
Nick Clegg
Karen Brady
John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
Sir Stuart Rose, the former CEO of Marks and Spencer
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon
Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond
Shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt
Immigration Minister James Brokenshire
Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron
Labour London mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan
Emma Thompson

 

[EalingBlue2]

Lol.

The truth is often funny ! Or of course they could all be populated by UKIP voters who think there is huge profit to be made out of Europe and all 64 will come rushing out to bat for no.

Frankly I am surprised how many came out yes, it is not like big business to take out potentially unpopular positions that a large chunk of customers and shareholders may disagree with.

 

[CityStu]

The truth is often funny ! Or of course they could all be populated by UKIP voters who think there is huge profit to be made out of Europe and all 64 will come rushing out to bat for no.

Frankly I am surprised how many came out yes, it is not like big business to take out potentially unpopular positions that a large chunk of customers and shareholders may disagree with.

Not necessarily batting for no, but those 64 are at least ambivalent as to whether the UK remains in the EU.

I find it funny how they've said it will threaten jobs, yet the UK has had a better recent job creation record than all of the other EU nations combined.

 

[grunge]

The pound weakening is what, good or bad for the UK economy net?

Thats an entirely double edged sword with no yes no answer, this will give you a good idea. and is only one point in the greater argument.

https://www.financialadvice.co.uk/n...k-pound-really-so-bad-for-the-uk-economy.html

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1882/economics/winners-and-losers-from-weak-pound/

 

[hgblue]

The in crowd should not worry. If the outs win it'll just go to another referendum.

This is exactly what will happen if we vote out, except this time the British prime minister won't be going around kissing people's arses for piddling concessions. Anyone who thinks the EU will respect a democratic vote and allow the 5th biggest economy in the world and 2nd biggest contributor to the gravy train just walk away hasn't been paying attention to their previous.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35636838

198 businesses, including 36 from the ftse 100 warn leaving will threaten jobs and put the UK economy at risk.

The same people saying the same things they said "if we left the ERM" and gem followed it up a few years later saying the same thing "if we didn't join the euro".

It's a lie, don't believe it.