EU referendum

[BigJoe#1]

Gove wanting us out is as good as any reason to want us in. He's a fucking idiot and has been wrong on absolutely everything be has done in government.

TBF that incompetence label and argument could be applied to many government ministers. Jeremy Hunt amongst them....

 

[bluethrunthru]

Gove wanting us out is as good as any reason to want us in. He's a fucking idiot and has been wrong on absolutely everything be has done in government.

well there is that - I did think today if Gove thinks its a good idea and IDS thinks its a good idea it must rank alongside sticking your knob in a vat of acid as good idea's go - neither of them have any proof of being a political giant in their track record do they?

 

[Ric]

Gove, Farage, and Urmston are out. For that reason, I'm in.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Gove, Farage, and Urmston are out. For that reason, I'm in.

Chuck in Ian Duncan Smith, Michael Gove, Katie Hopkins...

 

[Nightmare Walking]

IN

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's interesting - reading this site and the vitriol against the EU and the passion of the out canpaign you would think it was 90-95% out . Pretty much like Ted Cruz evangelists in the US or the fact 90% of the noise in Scotland was for independence. The SNP like the tea party had the passion and voice to shout their view much as the tea party always do in the US.

The silent majority will win this not the zealots (of either side) and the more the zealout a shout the quieter this majority will be. It will be very interesting to see what happens

 

[EalingBlue2]

Chuck in Ian Duncan Smith, Michael Gove, Katie Hopkins...

It's true if you were to judge the campaigns by the types of people who are the figureheads it would be a 95% in vote.

 

[Balti]

look how wonderful it has been for us

we need more of this wonderfulness

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Anything to wind that **** merkel up I will vote out any day of the week,what an horrible **** she is.

 

[Balti]

Anything to wind that **** merkel up I will vote out any day of the week,what an horrible **** she is.

 

[crazyadi]

In

Unfortunately alot of the 'Outers' (not on here) are coming across as little englanders with only the brain cells to think that by coming out the EU , immigration will be stopped. They don't care about the benefits immigration has bought us.

Not only this , economically we are the 5th richest country, if being in the EU has hampered this nation so much - how come we are thriving ? How come employment is so high ?

We are a great nation - there will be pro's and cons for staying in and going. either outcome won't change anything for us individually - why risk what we already have ? Not only this - we have negotiated better terms that benefit us ( these terms will fall on deaf ears to those that want us out ) ... The world is changing, it's uniting, why turn our back and isolate ourselves from a Europe that can all help each other in times of need.

Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith and the Britain First mob want us out. Fuck em'

Because we didnt join the euro. There are many reasons to want to leave the EU one of the stand outs is the TTIP. If you think what is happening in the NHS and education and the workplace is bad wait until the eurocrats sign that little gem.

OUT withOUT a doubt.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I just cannot see a compelling argument to leave. We know what the status quo looks like and by staying in we can influence European legislation and attitudes going forwards.

The outs paint broad brush strokes about benefits from leaving but cannot define in detail what they are and some of their allegations are just plain wrong. For example - we are ruled by Europe and all our laws come from Brussels. There are 180 bills tabled so far for this parliament - that doesn't look like a country who just accepts laws from abroad.

I have heard we pay anything from £50m to £56m per day to the EU. Yes we would stop paying that but none of the outers say how that saved money would be spent. I doubt very much anybody of my "class" will see any of that money - no promises to use it to abolish NI for example. They talk about freedom to trade with the world - that just isn't so simple - there will be years of negotiations around the world with various countries and trading blocs to secure markets beyond the initial promise of a trade agreement. And when it comes to Europe forget what the current leaders say or promise in a few years time if it suits the then German chancellor or French President to fuck us over on trade they will.

It seems to me - mostly thanks to a right wing bias in the press the whole debate will revolve around immigration. Its about way way more than that and the irony will be that its likely leaving will make things worse If we aren't in the EU the French will put the entire population of the Jungle on trains and let them go set up shop on our South Coast - we won't have any fences any cops any border guards on French soil to try and stop it - why? Because we voted to come out of the EU.

There are a lot of countries waiting for pay back on the UK and a lot will now get the chance . Will be good for Australia if it's an out as it will mean more talent imported here and a good market for agrucultural exports

 

[Balti]

There are a lot of countries waiting for pay back on the UK and a lot will now get the chance . Will be good for Australia if it's an out as it will mean more talent imported here and a good market for agrucultural exports

pay back on the UK?

 

[CityStu]

If the boot were on the other foot and we were outside the EU and debating becoming a member in the manner we are now, would people be voting the same way?

A few people have said the Out campaign haven't convinced them, but I've seen absolutely nothing from the In campaign convincing me of the benefits of staying. Just the potential risks of leaving.

Besides, if the EU is accepting economies like Romania and Turkey, I'm sure they'd have us back if it did go tits up.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If the boot were on the other foot and we were outside the EU and debating becoming a member in the manner we are now, would people be voting the same way?

A few people have said the Out campaign haven't convinced them, but I've seen absolutely nothing from the In campaign convincing me of the benefits of staying. Just the potential risks of leaving.

Besides, if the EU is accepting economies like Romania and Turkey, I'm sure they'd have us back if it did go tits up.

5th richest economy in the world

Business leaders wanting us to remain in Europe

David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn, a Tory and left wing Socialist wanting us to remain in

Clearly there are benefits for us remaining in ?!

 

[Balti]

5th richest economy in the world

Business leaders wanting us to remain in Europe

David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn, a Tory and left wing Socialist wanting us to remain in

Clearly there are benefits for us remaining in ?!

really?

what are they then?

 

[CityStu]

5th richest economy in the world

Business leaders wanting us to remain in Europe

David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn, a Tory and left wing Socialist wanting us to remain in

Clearly there are benefits for us remaining in ?!

What's to say we couldn't be just as rich (or even richer) outside the EU?

Business leaders care about making themselves money, not helping the average man on the street. I'm sure many business leaders also supported slavery and were against the minimum wage...

Similarly, can politicians be trusted on this issue when they have so many potential conflicts of interest? Many politicians have been able to forge very lucrative post MP careers as EU politicians, spokespeople or consultants. Why would they want you to vote against their gravy train?

 

[TonyM]

If I was British I'd vote to leave. I hope Ireland ties in with Britain some time in the future so we too can determine our own future.

The past 10 years have shown that the EU have no regard for people. Our multiple referendums for example. And the past 3 years have shown that it is not a united group. All they care about is maintaining the image of a superpower while they hope that all the challenges and problems just go away.

You need leadership to make significant advances. The EU has no real leaders (even if the Germans are at the wheel) and they smother any leadership within the member countries. Look again at Ireland.

Our country is still a shameful mess despite the economic growth. The direction from Germany and the ECB was inhumane. Shower of counts!

Escape and trust in yourselves. I have no doubt that Britain will be stronger for it.

 

[BlueHammer85]

really?

what are they then?

Being part of the biggest trading bloc attracting investment, Global company's are based here because we're apart of it.

Being part of the EU means we have say in EU laws mainly for business, leaving would mean we have no say. -
More than 50% of our exports go to EU countries, and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up.

It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership

Freedom to work In other EU member states

The European Arrest Warrant cuts out the need for long and complicated extradition procedures and allows criminals to be brought to justice across the EU

The EU is the world's biggest market and plays a big role in world trade, climate change issues, development projects and more.

It has the clout to take on multinationals such as Google and Microsoft. At the moment Britain plays a key role in the EU, and leaving would see us forgo that.

Stripped of influence in Brussels, Berlin and Paris, Britain would find itself increasingly ignored by Washington and sidelined on big transnational issues such as the environment, security and trade.

America and other allies want Britain to remain in the EU. The UK risks becoming a maverick, isolated state if it leaves.


British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.


The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.

Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.

The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies.

 

[bluethrunthru]

If the boot were on the other foot and we were outside the EU and debating becoming a member in the manner we are now, would people be voting the same way?

A few people have said the Out campaign haven't convinced them, but I've seen absolutely nothing from the In campaign convincing me of the benefits of staying. Just the potential risks of leaving.

Besides, if the EU is accepting economies like Romania and Turkey, I'm sure they'd have us back if it did go tits up.

really? Were it to go tits up we would be a different proposition - why would they want us back if we were no longer the 5th biggest economy? Would they want the say 25th? If Romania and Turkey are such basket cases then why would the EU burden themselves with another crap economy if it went tits up for us - if we haven't voted in a generation then believe me its a generation at least before the EU would want us back in.
If we vote to leave it will stir nationalist parties up in other EU countries - they won't forgive us quickly for upsetting the delicate balance they have all striven to establish. We leave and the ticket is one way.