EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Helmet Cole said:
Oh, so now the EU funded ( with our own money) roads are so tourists can get in and out quicker, not because of the economic export powerhouse that is north wales? Its comforting to know the EU spent our money on cutting ten minutes off someone's caravan towing time. I wonder if the money could have been better spent on transport infrastructure to and from our actual productive areas - or am I naive and is that just keeping the rich rich?
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Firstly you show your attitude with the dismissive caravan comment and I can assure you there is much more to tourism in North Wales than just caravans, secondly if you'd driven to North Wales over the decades you'd know that it makes a lot more difference than ten minutes . Finally as you ( I would hope ) well know the roads facilitate a hell of a lot of tourism that benefits England and Ireland also this also facilitates a lot of Anglo (and beyond) Irish trade through Holyhead. Should have been done decades ago but it took the EU funds to do it.

If you want to dismiss Ireland and Wales and indeed North West England as non productive and undeserving of quality infrastructure that's up to you, but

You are displaying exactly the attitude that will contribute more than anything to the chances of an in win by dismissing parts of the country and that attitude which has been the attitude of the South East for decades will cause rightful fear for anyone who holds Britain to be more than just London and the South East

I don't think naive is the word, you were being wilfully ignorant to make a point or accidentally so ....
 
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worsleyweb said:
And Mrs ww. She is eyeing up a cottage for the half term breaks.
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Another family without a home and a housing shortage of 600,001 - increasing the issue, whilst buying up in an area where you won't learn the language or assimilate - do you see any irony in that at all?
 
I have an idea why don't all the people who which to live in a free country stay here and those that want to live in a fascist federal EU move to one of the countries on the continent.
 
worsleyweb said:
There isn't one here which is why I moved - has levenshulme improved due to immigration? Or Bolton? Or Blackburn? Or Bradford? Or Oldham? Or the east end of London?
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Yes immigration is fantastic for the economy. I grew up in Oldham and granted it was always a bit shit but now it is officially rated as the lowest deprived area in th uk. Worked a treat......
 
Helmet Cole said:
Bollocks. Designating hull a 'city of culture' is like calling a chicken a cow. Deluded or mad - you choose.
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It's about developing / improving a place as well. Glasgow and Liverpool haven't done too badly out of the City of Culture. Hull needs a lot more investment that they are trying to generate.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Yes immigration is fantastic for the economy. I grew up in Oldham and granted it was always a bit shit but now it is officially rated as the lowest deprived area in th uk. Worked a treat......
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It's amazing how Pakistan is suddenly part of the EU!

Shame about Oldham. Used to love those away trip / day outs!
 
EalingBlue2 said:
It's true and if you cannot accept basic self evident facts how can Brexit ever have credibility. It doesn't work to put your fingers in your ears and pretend.... As for the 15p tax you were happy to pay comments since put a lie to that one....
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Look if you want to do something worthwhile get the Aussie authorities to take 15p of every £ equivalent in your wages and redirect it to HM TREASURY UK, they won't turn it down and I am sure it will be put to good use here in the uk and make you feel better.

I pay enough taxes thank you but I am happy that all those who believe we should pay more tax simply can. Please just write a cheque to HM treasury each year for the top rate of tax you advocate . It won't be refused. Do you think Gordon brown, tony Blair, Corbin, kinnock who advocate higher taxes pay that themselves....they could do, there is nothing stopping them.
 
worsleyweb said:
There isn't one here which is why I moved - has levenshulme improved due to immigration? Or Bolton? Or Blackburn? Or Bradford? Or Oldham? Or the east end of London?
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Bolton certainly has and them Krays have been quiet for a while now as well. I presume you singled out those areas because of the huge amount of European ex-pats that live there?
 
Wow - just went onto the equivalent thread on RAWK to see if there was a similar split/debate - I actually felt grubby after reading a few pages.

It is like a pack of dogs pulling anyone down who dares to have an 'alternative' view. Everyone is REMAIN and woe betide anybody that even hints at thinking differently - immediate accusations of racist, xenophobe etc. Would guess that voter base is running at about 95% REMAIN
 
mcfc1632 said:
Wow - just went onto the equivalent thread on RAWK to see if there was a similar split/debate - I actually felt grubby after reading a few pages.

It is like a pack of dogs pulling anyone down who dares to have an 'alternative' view. Everyone is REMAIN and woe betide anybody that even hints at thinking differently - immediate accusations of racist, xenophobe etc. Would guess that voter base is running at about 95% REMAIN
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Worried about the dole money though aren't they. Means they have decided to side with the Tories on the vote though which is odd, they will probably start buying the Sun again soon
 
mcfc1632 said:
Wow - just went onto the equivalent thread on RAWK to see if there was a similar split/debate - I actually felt grubby after reading a few pages.

It is like a pack of dogs pulling anyone down who dares to have an 'alternative' view. Everyone is REMAIN and woe betide anybody that even hints at thinking differently - immediate accusations of racist, xenophobe etc. Would guess that voter base is running at about 95% REMAIN
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Why the fuck anyone would want to go on there is beyond me.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Look if you want to do something worthwhile get the Aussie authorities to take 15p of every £ equivalent in your wages and redirect it to HM TREASURY UK, they won't turn it down and I am sure it will be put to good use here in the uk and make you feel better.

I pay enough taxes thank you but I am happy that all those who believe we should pay more tax simply can. Please just write a cheque to HM treasury each year for the top rate of tax you advocate . It won't be refused. Do you think Gordon brown, tony Blair, Corbin, kinnock who advocate higher taxes pay that themselves....they could do, there is nothing stopping them.
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You sum up the whole problem of the country and the economy beautifully, you aren't prepared to make the sacrifices required to stop immigration , your attitude (or at least wealthy people with that attitude so I cannot say you as I don't know your situation) can lead only to the ending of the NHS, pensions and support of the elderly. You simply cannot have it all without either accepting economic sacrifice today be it higher tax or much higher compulsory saving or accepting immigration to fill that gap, people will have that choice. I have accepted immigration here and accept putting far more aside for retirement and paying higher tax because I don't think the world owes me a living and don't think it's right to bankrupt the country for my kids
 
stonerblue said:
Bolton certainly has and them Krays have been quiet for a while now as well. I presume you singled out those areas because of the huge amount of European ex-pats that live there?
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East London used to have some of the most deprived , diseased and high crime areas in all of Europe and not that many generations ago.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Yes immigration is fantastic for the economy. I grew up in Oldham and granted it was always a bit shit but now it is officially rated as the lowest deprived area in th uk. Worked a treat......
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So you blame immigration and not the total collapse of the textile and coal industries in the UK for the issue. Poor immigrants go to the most deprived area they don't go to a wealthy area and turn it deprived.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
So you blame immigration and not the total collapse of the textile and coal industries in the UK for the issue. Poor immigrants go to the most deprived area they don't go to a wealthy area and turn it deprived.
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So it's nothing to do with the EU that there is poverty and hardship all across the UK, but it is thanks to the EU that the east end of London is rid of a deprived, and gangster run culture?

Get a grip on reality FFS EB2, again the quality of your arguements are of playground standard!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
So it's nothing to do with the EU that there is poverty and hardship all across the UK, but it is thanks to the EU that the east end of London is rid of a deprived, and gangster run culture?

Get a grip on reality FFS EB2, again the quality of your arguements are of playground standard!
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There is poverty all over the UK because the best over a century ago the main industries in the UK started to decline and become uncompetitive and gradually one by one they have closed virtually entirely - as I have mentions on every second post this has nothing to do with the EU and such decline will get absolutely no help from Brexit you know that 110% so why pretend otherwise
 
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