EU referendum

[Helmet Cole]

I've never said this before and probably never will do again, but here goes:

I agree with Arthur Scargill.

Ouch that hurts.

A ginger comb-over is socially acceptable? Good luck with that.

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

I am a Brexiter but when talking to friends about this I come against one snag in the Brexit argument, funding. Now I understand those in the South East that want to leave because perhaps they don't get as much as funding but in this part of Wales and I imagine many areas of the country we get a lot of EU funding, we get a lot more funding here than what we put in.

The remainers say that the Government will not fill in the black hole left by no EU funding and to be honest I am inclined to agree with them. I have always been a Brexiter but this point is nagging at me because there is no answer for it. We need EU funding here, parts of South Wales have been left to rot by the UK government and I can't see them picking up the bill now.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I am a Brexiter but when talking to friends about this I come against one snag in the Brexit argument, funding. Now I understand those in the South East that want to leave because perhaps they don't get as much as funding but in this part of Wales and I imagine many areas of the country we get a lot of EU funding, we get a lot more funding here than what we put in.

The remainers say that the Government will not fill in the black hole left by no EU funding and to be honest I am inclined to agree with them. I have always been a Brexiter but this point is nagging at me because there is no answer for it. We need EU funding here, parts of South Wales have been left to rot by the UK government and I can't see them picking up the bill now.

It's an unanswerable question until it needs answering. One thing we do know is that there is no reason to think the money that funds things now via a circuitous route won't continue after Brexit. The only real change would be the fewer hands it has to pass through. After all. It's paid by the UK in the first place.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I am a Brexiter but when talking to friends about this I come against one snag in the Brexit argument, funding. Now I understand those in the South East that want to leave because perhaps they don't get as much as funding but in this part of Wales and I imagine many areas of the country we get a lot of EU funding, we get a lot more funding here than what we put in.

The remainers say that the Government will not fill in the black hole left by no EU funding and to be honest I am inclined to agree with them. I have always been a Brexiter but this point is nagging at me because there is no answer for it. We need EU funding here, parts of South Wales have been left to rot by the UK government and I can't see them picking up the bill now.

This is undoubtedly the biggest risk to Brexit.

There are no guarantees that the Westminster Government will from the £19bn they save continue to fund existing European projects. That said it is up to the voters, the electorate to ensure this does happen and funding us maintained.

I have always talked about the UK saving £8.5 bn which is the net figure which means we continue funding existing projects or variations thereof, which will still leave £8.5 bn saved. From that we could for example fund the British Steel production at £1m a day and still have £8,135m left to further invest in our own country.

I agree though that is the biggest economic risk to Brexit. Cameron out of spite as well as principle could well direct that surplus cash to his rich friends.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I am a Brexiter but when talking to friends about this I come against one snag in the Brexit argument, funding. Now I understand those in the South East that want to leave because perhaps they don't get as much as funding but in this part of Wales and I imagine many areas of the country we get a lot of EU funding, we get a lot more funding here than what we put in.

The remainers say that the Government will not fill in the black hole left by no EU funding and to be honest I am inclined to agree with them. I have always been a Brexiter but this point is nagging at me because there is no answer for it. We need EU funding here, parts of South Wales have been left to rot by the UK government and I can't see them picking up the bill now.

It depends who is in government , if it is Tory as today the poorer areas (ie most of the U.K. Bar the south east) will suffer but I am sure under other governments it would be different. I do though think for Wales , Scotland and especially northernnireland Brexit will be very bad. The truth always has been that London and the south east are interested in London and the south east they care no more for north wales or Glasgow than Brussells does probably less

 

[EalingBlue2]

I know polls can't be trusted but it seems as though the Brexit campaign is gathering momentum....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...m-ICM-poll-UK-on-course-for-Brexit-Europe-Day

I think the biggest ally Brexit has is Cameron, he's an absolute liability to the Remanions. As I've said before, I think he has seriously mis-judged the mood of the Nation in calling this referendum so soon.... he had at least another year.

BTW, what event did you attend today....? what with it being Europe day and all that.

I wouldn't trust any poll from any organisation that has an agenda or view on this be that the guardian or the express , only from neutral organisations. It is very easy to legitimately alter results by how you ask the question, what methodology you use even with a completely legitimate sample

 

[Chancy Termites]

I wouldn't trust any poll from any organisation that has an agenda or view on this be that the guardian or the express , only from neutral organisations. It is very easy to legitimately alter results by how you ask the question, what methodology you use even with a completely legitimate sample

For anyone skimming this thread and who is in danger of being taken in by this post, the poll was carried out by ICM. They work to an established, published, peer-reviewed methodology. More importantly they rely on their reputation to stay in business.

Read more here and download the raw data if you want (yes they even publish that) - http://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

Read about the same poll on Reuters if you don't like the Express - http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0Y01OM?irpc=932

Oh, and the question asked was exactly the same one that the referendum itself will use.

 

[EalingBlue2]

For anyone skimming this thread and who is in danger of being taken in by this post, the poll was carried out by ICM. They work to an established, published, peer-reviewed methodology. More importantly they rely on their reputation to stay in business.

Read more here and download the raw data if you want (yes they even publish that) - http://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

Read about the same poll on Reuters if you don't like the Express - http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0Y01OM?irpc=932

Oh, and the question asked was exactly the same one that the referendum itself will use.

Perfect then if it is being done this way, political polling should be and I have worked for a pollster as credibility stands and falls on it but you only have to look at "credible" peer reviewed polling in the US if there is any hint of bias in it just the order of questions or asking definite va likely voters will change result.

This one may be great if I had time to review every methodology I may agree but nothing is gospel just look at the last general election where every single peer reviewed fantastic poll was wrong as they underestimate and underweighted for the status quo with many saying they wanted change and not turning up. At other times like Scotland in the GE or in 1997 the wave is estimated and the wave happens.

 

[City Raider]

The referendum has widen the divide in the Tory party to a chasm. If Corbyn was presiding over this mess it would be reported totally differently.

 

[BigJoe#1]

The referendum has widen the divide in the Tory party to a chasm. If Corbyn was presiding over this mess it would be reported totally differently.

Agreed. If Labour had a more electable leader they would be miles ahead by now. I think this is Camerons Waterloo though - either way win or lose the referendum he's toast. I know he had announced he'd be standing down before the next election in any case, still I don't think he'd planned his swan song to be quite like this. He's going to be the ragged beaten up old mutt staggering away and disappearing over the horizon with his tail firmly between his legs with barely anyone noticing.

Has to be up there as a contender for the most gutless, weakest, spineless and worst PM we've ever had!