EU referendum

[west didsblue]

I think that the opposite will be true - key (Tory) leaders of the Leave campaign I think are guaranteed key roles (promotions) whatever the vote - will be deemed as an essential move to secure party unity

There are about 70 pro-Brexit Tory MPs and about 260 anti-Brexit. There's no way that 100 of those anti-Brexit MPs will support Gove or Johnson as leader.

 

[BlueHammer85]

IN : Remain in one of the worlds biggest trading blocks. All major institutions including the Bank Of England and IMF agree it's in our best economic interest to remain. The US and China would continue trade with the EU with Britain being a big player. We can move anywhere we want in the EU, with cheaper holidays and phone tariffs. The EU holds the peace of all European country's and remaining will keep our generation stronger and safer. Britain is able to keep its currency and sovereignty. With Britain out the EU, we may very well lose Scotland to there next independent referendum - so us leaving might not only break up Europe but also Britain. Leaving is a major leep into the unknown.

OUT : Laws are being passed from Brussels to Britain by un-elected officials - it is badly run and not democratic. We have no control of our borders - anyone in the EU is free to move here and high immigration puts a strain on our services, roads and healthcare. We are paying more into the EU then we get back and are bailing out falling country's. The EU is becoming more federalist with some arguing its main goal will be all country's under one flag, with one army and one currency. The EU has failed and Britain needs to leave before it collapses. Britain is a strong country with the 5th best economy in the world, why remain part of this undemocratic shambolic union when we can be a proud independent and stronger country.

 

[YPhrunts]

There are about 70 pro-Brexit Tory MPs and about 260 anti-Brexit. There's no way that 100 of those anti-Brexit MPs will support Gove or Johnson as leader.

Those figures are totally out of kilter.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Aren't the Leavers assuming all the best possible outcomes? Their stance seems to be that we can obtain a free trade deal with the EU AND avoid having to contribute to the budget or follow any of the directives such as free movement of labour.

If they win and then have to seriously negotiate with the EU, they too will have to make concessions. They will have to find a process for agreeing what the negotiating team's priorities are. Free trade or control of immigration? Who decides which is most important?

No I can only answer for myself but I am not assuming the best possible outcomes, equally I do not accept the worst possible outcomes either. The answer will lay somewhere in between, where exactly depends upon the position of the EU and the U.K. At the time the negotiations start.

 

[BigJoe#1]

IN : Remain in one of the worlds biggest trading blocks. All major institutions including the Bank Of England and IMF agree it's in our best economic interest to remain. The US and China would continue trade with the EU with Britain being a big player. We can move anywhere we want in the EU, with cheaper holidays and phone tariffs. The EU holds the peace of all European country's and remaining will keep our generation stronger and safer. Britain is able to keep its currency and sovereignty. With Britain out the EU, we may very well lose Scotland to there next independent referendum - so us leaving might not only break up Europe but also Britain. Leaving is a major leep into the unknown.

OUT : Laws are being passed from Brussels to Britain by un-elected officials - it is badly run and not democratic. We have no control of our borders - anyone in the EU is free to move here and high immigration puts a strain on our services, roads and healthcare. We are paying more into the EU then we get back and are bailing out falling country's. The EU is becoming more federalist with some arguing its main goal will be all country's under one flag, with one army and one currency. The EU has failed and Britain needs to leave before it collapses. Britain is a strong country with the 5th best economy in the world, why remain part of this undemocratic shambolic union when we can be a proud independent and stronger country.

Nice balance.... If anything IMO it favours Brexit but would respect others who might think different.

 

[west didsblue]

Those figures are totally out of kilter.

Out of kilter with what?
Public opinion or fact?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

IN : Remain in one of the worlds biggest trading blocks. All major institutions including the Bank Of England and IMF agree it's in our best economic interest to remain. The US and China would continue trade with the EU with Britain being a big player. We can move anywhere we want in the EU, with cheaper holidays and phone tariffs. The EU holds the peace of all European country's and remaining will keep our generation stronger and safer. Britain is able to keep its currency and sovereignty. With Britain out the EU, we may very well lose Scotland to there next independent referendum - so us leaving might not only break up Europe but also Britain. Leaving is a major leep into the unknown.

OUT : Laws are being passed from Brussels to Britain by un-elected officials - it is badly run and not democratic. We have no control of our borders - anyone in the EU is free to move here and high immigration puts a strain on our services, roads and healthcare. We are paying more into the EU then we get back and are bailing out falling country's. The EU is becoming more federalist with some arguing its main goal will be all country's under one flag, with one army and one currency. The EU has failed and Britain needs to leave before it collapses. Britain is a strong country with the 5th best economy in the world, why remain part of this undemocratic shambolic union when we can be a proud independent and stronger country.

There are a few bits of leave properganda that have slipped in there:

The officials of the EU are either appointed by our govenrment i.e. our elected government sends them to do our bidding - or they are MEPs and are elected, so i disagree that there are un-elected officials. Also we have no obligation to bail out failed Euro zone countries - we are out of that already.

 

[CityStu]

There are about 70 pro-Brexit Tory MPs and about 260 anti-Brexit. There's no way that 100 of those anti-Brexit MPs will support Gove or Johnson as leader.

I'd imagine that following a vote to leave the EU, most Tory MPs would realise that having someone who doesn't want to jump in bed with EU as leader would be preferable. Boris was always likely to follow Cameron before he announced his referendum allegiances anyway.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I'd imagine that following a vote to leave the EU, most Tory MPs would realise that having someone who doesn't want to jump in bed with EU as leader would be preferable. Boris was always likely to follow Cameron before he announced his referendum allegiances anyway.

Borris has never been pro brexit in previous elections. He saw an oportunity and has gambled his career on an out vote. If it pays off he has almost guaranteed himself the top job.

 

[CityStu]

Borris has never been pro brexit in previous elections. He saw an oportunity and has gambled his career on an out vote. If it pays off he has almost guaranteed himself the top job.

I think he'd also be in with a solid chance if it's an In vote. It's likely to be between him and Osbourne and the latter has come out of this with very little credibility. Not that Boris has either, but at least he's more likeable.