EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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I bet several people who would describe themselves as left wing have clicked the 'Out' button up there.
Ever since I replied in another forum to chippy boy I have been trying to categorise my political persuasion.

I think I am like many people and I pick and choose across all parties which individual policies I support. When I boil it down I think I would have to describe myself as a right communist, if there is such a thing!

How would you categorise yourself, taking into account your views on the EU debate?

Edit: having just googled right wing communist, I think I need to review my self appraisal.
 
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I bet several people who would describe themselves as left wing have clicked the 'Out' button up there.
Yes there are but left wing doesn't mean not nationalist and not all outters have the same motive. Talking about the overall bent of the board doesn't imply everyone thinks the same. Just the balance
 
Ever since I replied in another forum to chippy boy I have been trying to categorise my political persuasion.

I think I am like many people and I pick and choose across all parties which individual policies I support. When I boil it down I think I would have to describe myself as a right communist, if there is such a thing!

How would you categorise yourself, taking into account your views on the EU debate?

Edit: having just googled right wing communist, I think I need to review my self appraisal.

I'm not sure really! I like the low taxes and economic sense of the right but think having a nationalised option of all public services is a good idea. Education's also an important topic for me because I think it's the worst ran government service, from pre-school right through to university. I am quite nationalistic though.

Yes there are but left wing doesn't mean not nationalist and not all outters have the same motive. Talking about the overall bent of the board doesn't imply everyone thinks the same. Just the balance

You implied that the balance of the vote was because this forum is incredibly right wing. I disagree - I think this forum is more left than right leaning (although there are a couple of loud right wingers) and that the vote is as it is because the 'Out' option appeals to left as well as right.
 
I can't decide yet as neither side seem to be putting across coherent arguments. At the moment it all seems to be scaremongering. The personalities supporting the out campaign make me tend towards voting to stay in but I'm yet to be convinced.
 
They probably have many voters from down south which I think will be more for remaining in. Plus we all know of their worldwide and European fan base, again something which will be reflected in their voting profile. Is an interesting thought though.
Think most of them though the question was about staying in the Europa league
 
What I would love to know from the outters is what is Britains future in the world?
Do you want EEA - I assume not based on comments on controlling law/immigration?
What does Britain offer in trade deals that other countries cannot get for themselves?
What is the future of Britain's economy?
Where will economic growth come from without immigration? If immigration continues where will it come from?
How will returning Brits be accommodated and how will this ageing of the population be addressed?
What are the actual laws that need to be changed?
How will Britain approach a world outside Europe? What level of UK bueraucracy will need to be changed?
Etc etc
 
What I would love to know from the outters is what is Britains future in the world?
Do you want EEA - I assume not based on comments on controlling law/immigration?
What does Britain offer in trade deals that other countries cannot get for themselves?
What is the future of Britain's economy?
Where will economic growth come from without immigration? If immigration continues where will it come from?
How will returning Brits be accommodated and how will this ageing of the population be addressed?
What are the actual laws that need to be changed?
How will Britain approach a world outside Europe? What level of UK bueraucracy will need to be changed?
Etc etc

I'm not exactly sure what I do want but I certainly don't want to be a British state in a United Europe, as seems to be the aim of ever closer union. In that sense, I'm voting against the current trajectory of the EU, not what it is now.

In terms of laws, I'm sure the EU has developed some excellent laws and I'm sure we will copy some of them. My issue is with the amount of red tape which can be condensed into more broad regulations that are easier for businesses to respond to. Also, we will have a government that is accountable for those laws.

On immigration, I am not anti-immigration. I believe immigration is currently to high and I fundamentally disagree with the uncontrolled immigration that the EU brings. Because of how generous our welfare, health and education systems are, the UK is an attractive destination for most in Europe. We have to be able to control who arrives to live in the country so we can ensure that they do contribute and that they aren't taking jobs out of our young peoples' hands. If talented Poles want to come in and take jobs that we cannot fulfil with our native workforce then they are most welcome, on a VISA basis. Just like Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc. work in the UK now.

Will Brits abroad definitely be returned? I doubt that we'll impose such a measure on EU nationals currently in the UK and I believe the majority of UK citizens abroad are contributors, rather than beneficiaries, of society. Why on Earth would Spain uproot a bunch of people putting money into their system just because they are from the UK?

I can't imagine that a UK outside the EU would be shunned by the rest of the world. We have a comparable economy to the likes of Japan, Brazil, Canada and Australia and would be welcomed around the world's tables.
 
How is there UK economy compatible to australia, Japan , Canada and Brazil?

3 of those countries are three f the countries with the greatest amount of natural resources and agricultural potential on earth per capita (less so Brazil due to population). They each have huge quantities of stuff growing and in the ground or under the sea that the world needs and 2 are countries many many many times greater than the UK with smaller .
populations .

As for Japan it is the biggest basket case on the planet. Debt that makes Greece look ok, ageing population putting country at huge risk, no possible way it can avoid default, negative interest rates etc etc.

Britain is probably better placed than Japan for the future I will give it that.
 
What I would love to know from the outters is what is Britains future in the world?
Do you want EEA - I assume not based on comments on controlling law/immigration?
What does Britain offer in trade deals that other countries cannot get for themselves?
What is the future of Britain's economy?
Where will economic growth come from without immigration? If immigration continues where will it come from?
How will returning Brits be accommodated and how will this ageing of the population be addressed?
What are the actual laws that need to be changed?
How will Britain approach a world outside Europe? What level of UK bueraucracy will need to be changed?
Etc etc
1. In order, I'm not particularly concerned about having an EEA. We should be able to compete within Europe and the world on commercial terms.
2. We have an established financial services and service sector we are also pretty good in scientific and product innovation. I agree we haven't got much of a manufacturing sector compared to many others, and I put that down in part to being in the EU
3. Britains economy will be at least what it will be if we stay in the EU, get outside and I think we will prosper. Let me ask at this stage why are we paying French and German power companies more for the electricity we as consumers and Businesses use than they pay in Germany and France to name but two?
4. For as long as we are dependent upon immigrants to work and deliver services alongside our unemployment figures, and don't believe all you read. In Oz about how well we're doing in terms of job creation. We have a massive amount of people who have had to go self employed and who work for very low wages, plus there is a huge dependency on zero hour contracts. It ain't good here, trust me.
5. Well I would have no objection to having non Brits working here if there is work for them, by that I mean if there's no work they'll need to return to their bative country and claim their benefits and child allowance there's, not here. I would expect the same to apply to Brits abroad, work if there is work, if can manage without a wage, i.e. On pensions and savings then great... our government still pays the pension to those who go overseas as well as to those who come here from overseas, it just doesn't work.
6&7 are good questions that need to be worked out though it will mainly be about unpicking ourselves from all the red tape and governance that has imposed upon us BH the EU.

I appreciate you won't agree with many or indeed any of the above but the thought of remaining under the control of a massive unelected bureaucracy really makes me wonder why we ever let it get this far.
 
1. In order, I'm not particularly concerned about having an EEA. We should be able to compete within Europe and the world on commercial terms.
2. We have an established financial services and service sector we are also pretty good in scientific and product innovation. I agree we haven't got much of a manufacturing sector compared to many others, and I put that down in part to being in the EU
3. Britains economy will be at least what it will be if we stay in the EU, get outside and I think we will prosper. Let me ask at this stage why are we paying French and German power companies more for the electricity we as consumers and Businesses use than they pay in Germany and France to name but two?
4. For as long as we are dependent upon immigrants to work and deliver services alongside our unemployment figures, and don't believe all you read. In Oz about how well we're doing in terms of job creation. We have a massive amount of people who have had to go self employed and who work for very low wages, plus there is a huge dependency on zero hour contracts. It ain't good here, trust me.
5. Well I would have no objection to having non Brits working here if there is work for them, by that I mean if there's no work they'll need to return to their bative country and claim their benefits and child allowance there's, not here. I would expect the same to apply to Brits abroad, work if there is work, if can manage without a wage, i.e. On pensions and savings then great... our government still pays the pension to those who go overseas as well as to those who come here from overseas, it just doesn't work.
6&7 are good questions that need to be worked out though it will mainly be about unpicking ourselves from all the red tape and governance that has imposed upon us BH the EU.

I appreciate you won't agree with many or indeed any of the above but the thought of remaining under the control of a massive unelected bureaucracy really makes me wonder why we ever let it get this far.
Thanks for your response , as to agreeing it would be different in each point

1) if not in EEA then European trade would suffer and there would be a definite migration back to the UK and migration out. We would lose all the "good" points without EEA
2) you are right on these but none of Britain's major exports are unique to the UK all are areas that are rife for digital disruption and new business models and all are open to copying. These are very exposed industries to hitch a future on - that said much of Europe is on the same bandwagon. But none of these will be aces in trade negotiations, countries want to do more of this themselves so may be happy to put tariffs on the UK unless they get more in return.
3) short term maybe, long term the evening effects of Europe could fracture the UK and also no longer being the English speaking gateway to a huge single market will hurt.
4) I think this is the biggest issue for the UK and it just isn't addressed, immigration drives the growth that maintains the Ponzi scheme of an ageing population . The Eu has slowed this to happen and given politicians an excuse to blame for the downsides. This will still be needed where will it come from?
5)the issue is it is needed to maintain the economy and tax base to pay for old age. But is it sustainable? At what point will it break 80m 100m 150m????
 
This is one of the most jingoistic, right wing football forums you will find outside Southern Europe. Dozens of posters have left or don't come near the cellar because of the casual prejudice that is prevelant here. I am amazed in is higher than about 25% based on the comments made
Yeah it's that simple.

And yet again you talk bollocks.
 
Yeah it's that simple.

And yet again you talk bollocks.
Come on I have it on good authority you had Bill Cash banned from here because of his rabid pro European attitudes and weren't you the one who criticised the Calliph for his neo feminist attitudes ?
 
He thinks repeating something often enough makes if true.
I guess the old Fox News adage proves that, the longer people are told the hard right is the new centre the more they believe it. If Bluemoon is seen as left that just shows how far to the right people now think is the normal. My centre moderate views are positively communist on here.
 
I guess the old Fox News adage proves that, the longer people are told the hard right is the new centre the more they believe it. If Bluemoon is seen as left that just shows how far to the right people now think is the normal. My centre moderate views are positively communist on here.
And the fact that you naturally presume the board is predominantly right wing, shows just how left wing you are, as most
far leftists declare their views as centre left, and fail to see they're not.
The irony here, is that many of the hard left support the out campaign, as well as the far right, for diametrically opposing reasons, but
support it they do, so labelling is ridiculous in this case.
 
Absolute nonsense - there is only me and Urmston who are openly right wing. Read the mobility and the Nhs thread. 99 percent left wing.

I might come across as a tadge right wing so that is three of us

not quite as bad(ie Right Wing) as the left wingers on here make out by a long chalk
 
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