EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

You are right 8,500,000,00 divided by 52 does nor make £350m

However, 8.5bn + 4.5bn (inward investment) + 5.5bn (rebate) = £18.5bn

£18,500,00,000 divided by 52 is.....£356m (rounded up) or for your benefit £365m rounded down.

So in a parallel world where the rebate doesn't exist and we get no investment then Boris would be honest?

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Boris dreams about fucking it over every night he goes to bed!

I don't think it would first it would be cutting certain expensive treatments on health conditions more common in the poor and vulnerable, then closing hospitals in poor high immigrant areas, then small contributions required on certain items biased to disparate and politically weak minorities. They will do it easily snip by snip and because it is done this way they will keep much of the country for long enough that it's too late to save.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...nt-survive-staying-in-the-European-Union.html

 

[Chippy_boy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...nt-survive-staying-in-the-European-Union.html

"By Louise Bours MEP, Ukip's health spokesman" <cough>

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Er, talking to people? A huge proportion of the elderly - who are themselves strongly in favour of leaving - are xenophobic. Try talking to them and ask them what they think about foreigners working in Tesco's or the NHS. Just try it.

Or, alternatively, watch the TV for 10 minutes.

Those are old people..when they were young Chorlton didn't exist ;-)

 

[hgblue]

You are right 8,500,000,00 divided by 52 does nor make £350m

However, 8.5bn + 4.5bn (inward investment) + 5.5bn (rebate) = £18.5bn

£18,500,00,000 divided by 52 is.....£356m (rounded up) or for your benefit £365m rounded down.

Ffs, it's the gross figure, the net figure is the gross figure minus the rebate and the proportion of our contribution that is spent here. If someone asks you what your salary is you tell them the gross figure (eg 50 grand per year). Everybody knows there are deductions and that isn't the actual amount you receive. Do people really not understand this? Personally I prefer to use the net figure because it's a large enough figure to make the point anyway, but remainers complaining about misleading stats after their side used the '3 millions jobs depend on EU membership' and 'each household will be 4300 quid worse off by 2030' lines. Is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

"By Louise Bours MEP, Ukip's health spokesman" <cough>

Ha! To be fair I didn't see that

In all honesty though..TTIP is a genuine threat..even with 'assurances'

 

[Ancient Citizen]

two replies from the remain

Chippy says we are 'xenophobic'

Monkfish says we are 'angry white men' banging on about 'doleys and asians'

Really?!

To come out with such shite shows how worried the remain really are

Indeed. I've recently met a mate of mine's ex after not seeing her for about 20 years, she's originally from Trinidad, came over when she was 14.
After a happy hour chewing the fat the discussion turned to the EU, and surprise, surprise, she's voting out.
Mind you, she's a black woman, so she'll probably be alright banging on about doley's and asians.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Indeed. I've recently met a mate of mine's ex after not seeing her for about 20 years, she's originally from Trinidad, came over when she was 14.
After a happy hour chewing the fat the discussion turned to the EU, and surprise, surprise, she's voting out.
Mind you, she's a black woman, so she'll probably be alright banging on about doley's and asians.

It does make you raise your eyebrows when you see immigrants being interviewed and they go on about the need to control immigration.

 

[BigJoe#1]

So in a parallel world where the rebate doesn't exist and we get no investment then Boris would be honest?

We're talking about here and now, which in itself is difficult. Shall we stick to the real world.... For the next two weeks at least?

 

[BigJoe#1]

Ffs, it's the gross figure, the net figure is the gross figure minus the rebate and the proportion of our contribution that is spent here. If someone asks you what your salary is you tell them the gross figure (eg 50 grand per year). Everybody knows there are deductions and that isn't the actual amount you receive. Do people really not understand this? Personally I prefer to use the net figure because it's a large enough figure to make the point anyway, but remainers complaining about misleading stats after their side used the '3 millions jobs depend on EU membership' and 'each household will be 4300 quid worse off by 2030' lines. Is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

I'd give up if I were you. People like MF just want to muddy the waters and derail the discussions.

BTW I agree with every word you say and like you I firmly believe the Leave campaign would have been better advised to have focused missive ly on the nett figure... but hey-ho.

 

[Silva_Spell]

That may be the figure that never goes to the EU because we make the deduction here (it's not really a rebate). Even the strongest Brexiters say our net contribution is £10billion after EU spend here. This also includes some areas that we have spent more on (whether you agree with it or not) if the EU didn't exist!

The vast majority of the £10 billion would go if we entered a trade agreement at the same cost per person at Norway. Then if we could get a deal that didn't invlude free movement then here would be costs from implementing the mooted points and visa system (that might be worthwhile). The notion of savings is misleading!

The point was that "we get around half(?) of that 10.6billion back from the EU each year in payouts" is not true.
The figure is the net figure, already taking into account the money the EU spends here for us (we don't control it)

 

[FanchesterCity]

"By Louise Bours MEP, Ukip's health spokesman" <cough>

She lives up to her name!

 

[BigJoe#1]

It does make you raise your eyebrows when you see immigrants being interviewed and they go on about the need to control immigration.

I could be tempted to call you Xenophobe after a comment like that - but that would be extremely judgemental and I wouldn't dream of actually saying it!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It does make you raise your eyebrows when you see immigrants being interviewed and they go on about the need to control immigration.

What she, myself, others, and uncle Tom Cobley and all are saying, and what the remain camp appears to have lost from their vocabularies, is the word MASS.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Bollocks. A little glib maybe but Germany is, by some considerable distance the largest net contributor to the EU. Germany today dominates the EU in a far more efficient way than Hitler dominated Europe in 1941 and without those millions of deaths.

As Don Corleone said, a man with a briefcase can steal far more than a man with a gun.

Citing the SS who murdered many peoples relatives from this board , including quite possibly your own to try and make a point on the EU with it is wrong. By 1941 Jewish people were dying in the ghettos, hundreds of thousands of army and civilians had been killed by the SS and wermacht and the planning and building of extermination camps that opened in 1942 was under way - that is a disgusting comparison to modern Germany. It's just not funny or clever.

dominating through an efficient productive economy and dominating through war and genocide aren't the same- as you said -without those millions of deaths and the SS and wermacht were every bit responsible for those millions of deaths and many more millions that followed.

people have been banned from this site for comparing Israel to the nazis when frankly modern Germany has done far less than modern Israel in oppressing people and I have been called pro Israel on here as well with my stance against both sides.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The point was that "we get around half(?) of that 10.6billion back from the EU each year in payouts" is not true.
The figure is the net figure, already taking into account the money the EU spends here for us (we don't control it)

And that is the point I emphasised.

This is different to the rebate!

 

[EalingBlue2]

Ffs, it's the gross figure, the net figure is the gross figure minus the rebate and the proportion of our contribution that is spent here. If someone asks you what your salary is you tell them the gross figure (eg 50 grand per year). Everybody knows there are deductions and that isn't the actual amount you receive. Do people really not understand this? Personally I prefer to use the net figure because it's a large enough figure to make the point anyway, but remainers complaining about misleading stats after their side used the '3 millions jobs depend on EU membership' and 'each household will be 4300 quid worse off by 2030' lines. Is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

That's right from the rest of the EU point of view and the salary example you give is from the point of view of the inland revenue not the individual. Technically right but exceedingly misleading . What matters to the revenue is what they collect not what a gross figure before deductions is

 

[EalingBlue2]

We're talking about here and now, which in itself is difficult. Shall we stick to the real world.... For the next two weeks at least?

I think so, so let's stick to the net amount and not Boris,s fabrication

 

[Tim of the Oak]

"By Louise Bours MEP, Ukip's health spokesman" <cough>

It also predates the Government's committment to exempt the NHS from TTIP

 

[Pam]

I think so, so let's stick to the net amount and not Boris,s fabrication

Why would anyone listen to that attention seeking bafoon and his hysterical attention seeking. I am quite worried that he hasn't been laughed out of town. He is our very own Donald Trump.