Genuine question..but do you live in Manchester?
Because I'm at a loss as to how your partner can say that immigration isn't a problem in education here..I also have experience in the field..I work for an inspectorate..my girlfriend is a primary school teacher..it's a huge issue..schools are fit to burst..children are not just failing to get their first choice schools..they are failing to get any! Huge classes of 30+ children..a vast swathe of which are EAL children
It's literally reaching critical mass and although you are right..European Migrants are not solely to blame..it is certainly a huge factor
Guess I can't disagree with that! The issue is when it's not the facts which for in and out has been an issueyes discussion of the facts of any situation can always only be a good thing
and democracy is what we are about
Guess I can't disagree with that! The issue is when it's not the facts which for in and out has been an issue
Here is a thought for the stays, Cameron didn't get a single thing he asked for from the EU, now how much do you reckon we will get from them when we vote to stay in? They will take the piss even more knowing that we like it up us and we do sweet FA about it.
Europe and the EU are two separate entities. Even if we leave the EU we'll still be part of NATO and other organistations that protect our security. The Intelligence Services will still work with their European counterparts. We'll still be subject to the European Court of Human Rights, which isn't an EU instituion (unlike the ECJ). We'll still be a signatory to the numerous international treaties we've signed that are comoletely separate to any that we signed in the EU. We'll negotiate some sort of trade agreement with them but we'll also be free to negotiate agreements with any of the major trading countries like the USA, China, Japan & India that don't have free trade agreements with the EU.
By imposing austerity and running Europe essentially for their own benefit the Germans have made the EU better for them but not for the Greeks or the 40% of Spanish young people who are unemployed.
As I said yesterday in 2017 NATO could lead us into a war in the Middle East possibly with a Nuclear power in support of an Islamist despot and under the command of a think skinned rug wearing reality TV psychopath. NATO should be a far bigger concern than the EU at the moment especially as Nayo seems intent on winding up Putin again and againOur Government imposed austerity here PB but let's not get in the way of criticising the Germans!
Lots of good arguments for and against EU membership but I'm a bit sick of hearing the NATO panacea. The same NATO that helped Iceland beat the sick man of Europe in the cod wars by any chance?
Yes youth unemployment is bad if you single out struggling EU nations. What would our youth unemployment be without artificially expanding university place?
We might do better on international trade in the future or worse - we don't know. The proof of the pudding etc. it's not a massive deal to me whichever way our Country votes but a vote for Gove / Farrage / Bojo could give those voters what they deserve!
This is absolute nonsense you have clearly got no idea what NATO is and what it's mandate is. You are talking out of your arse.As I said yesterday in 2017 NATO could lead us into a war in the Middle East possibly with a Nuclear power in support of an Islamist despot and under the command of a think skinned rug wearing reality TV psychopath. NATO should be a far bigger concern than the EU at the moment especially as Nayo seems intent on winding up Putin again and again
As I said yesterday in 2017 NATO could lead us into a war in the Middle East possibly with a Nuclear power in support of an Islamist despot and under the command of a think skinned rug wearing reality TV psychopath. NATO should be a far bigger concern than the EU at the moment especially as Nayo seems intent on winding up Putin again and again
Not arguing with your point, there'd be no point.... However, this referendum and this thread is NOT about NATO it is about the EU and whether or not we should remain. why deflect the issue?As I said yesterday in 2017 NATO could lead us into a war in the Middle East possibly with a Nuclear power in support of an Islamist despot and under the command of a think skinned rug wearing reality TV psychopath. NATO should be a far bigger concern than the EU at the moment especially as Nayo seems intent on winding up Putin again and again
That's all true and I wouldn't out of NATO or the EU I'm just saying at this very moment I am more worried about Erdogan and our NATO games with Putin than about Juncker or Merkel.NATO is our biggest security blanket
US our strongest ally
Imagine relying on ''Europe'' ffs
NATO and the EU are fairly intertwined in many ways and if you are going to give full credit to one over the other you need to look at both. NATO has been given all credit for many things over the EU by brexiters and in reality both deserve credit and both deserve to be questioned - that's all.Not arguing with your point, there'd be no point.... However, this referendum and this thread is NOT about NATO it is about the EU and whether or not we should remain. why deflect the issue?
Worth starting another thread about NATO?
NATO and the EU are fairly intertwined in many ways and if you are going to give full credit to one over the other you need to look at both. NATO has been given all credit for many things over the EU by brexiters and in reality both deserve credit and both deserve to be questioned - that's all.
Anyway I need to go and start preparing for a long day of drinking and singing in an ancient language of consanents and possibly no sleep - cymru am byth
We joined "The Common Market", a trading block in the early 1970's.
At what moment in time did this membership switch from a trade agreement to being "politically aligned"
Immigration is the main reason I will vote to leave simple as that.
We have to be able to kick out/prevent folk from coming in, any person who isn't a British citizen that we choose.
Racist!
;-)
We joined "The Common Market", a trading block in the early 1970's.
At what moment in time did this membership switch from a trade agreement to being "politically aligned"
Immigration is the main reason I will vote to leave simple as that.
We have to be able to kick out/prevent folk from coming in, any person who isn't a British citizen that we choose.
mainly in 1993 when the then prime minister ( traitor) John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty without any manmdate from the UK electorate.
The same thing will happen if we vote to remain, the Prime minister of the time will allow the country to be swallowed up and become nothing more than a constituency in a federal europe, all without a genuine mandate from the UK electorate but they will cite the upcoming referendum as the mandate. (assuming remain win, but Im hoping the results of the recent polls holds up at the ballot box and the facist remain camp have their chips pissed all over).
I'm a Royalist, and a patriot ;-)
How are you voting may I enquire?
Christ I can't believe that Newsnight tonight was not hammering the pro EU propaganda. They have been at it for weeks showing such blatant bias towards remain that I've come to expect it and just wonder how deep the bias will be from night to night. Evan Davis probably following Ian Katz's the director's instructions has been the worst presentor for this. Tonight, for the first night ever, there was a fair presentation of the Brexit argument. What has happened? Somebody at the BBC has been got at? Even the news seems to be a bit more balanced recently. It may just be a blip and may not last of course. Anybody else felt a change?
The survey of 2,000 people by ORB found that 55 per cent believe the UK should leave the EU (up four points since our last poll in April), while 45 per cent want it to remain (down four points). These figures are weighted to take account of people’s likelihood to vote. It is by far the biggest lead the Leave camp has enjoyed since ORB began polling the EU issue for The Independent a year ago, when it was Remain who enjoyed a 10-point lead. Now the tables have turned.
Even when the findings are not weighted for turnout, Leave is on 53 per cent (up three points since April) and Remain on 47 per cent (down three). The online poll, taken on Wednesday and Thursday, suggests the Out camp has achieved momentum at the critical time ahead of the 23 June referendum.