EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Some interesting and insightful debate on this thread , but for all the knowledgeable contributions , it will be the immigration issues that will turn this referendum into a landslide victory for Brexit , personally i do not believe any of the Tory stats or figures , or the Brexit figures , and i do not think our health,education or economy will be affected greatly either way , and neither campaign has convinced otherwise . But i do believe strongly if we leave europe , we will control our borders ,as for the economy predictions they are just pure speculation by Tory voting financial experts , who only recently didnt see the banking crash coming over the horizon only 10 years ago , so i dont believe a word they say, either.
 
Blue Haze said:
They must be trying a new tactic after seeing the latest poll numbers. Most of the polls are seeing a substantial shift toward Leave.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html

I'm genuinely surprised. After the Scotland vote saw people break toward the status quo, it's interesting that they're doing the opposite with regard to the EU.
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maybe its the sturgeon effect?
she lost but they drag her out like she's a vote winner and maybe she is in some parts of scotland
south of the border of course she is an anachronism and a liability
 
EalingBlue2 said:
NATO and the EU are fairly intertwined in many ways and if you are going to give full credit to one over the other you need to look at both. NATO has been given all credit for many things over the EU by brexiters and in reality both deserve credit and both deserve to be questioned - that's all.

Anyway I need to go and start preparing for a long day of drinking and singing in an ancient language of consanents and possibly no sleep - cymru am byth
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You smooth talker you....

I have a busy day tomorrow (today).

08:30 Wales v NZ - Don't fancy Wales's chances

10:30 - 13:30 Brexit street campaigning.

17:00 Wales v Slovakia Wales win ir a draw...

20:00 England v Russia. Draw or Russian win


Fun day to be had!
 
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It seems like the Remain camp us beginning to crumble.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ed-remain-camp-plans-to-take-out-boris-as-po/

Does anyone agree that if the Remain camp go for attacking Johnson personally it absolutely certain to bolster the Leave bite? Is it just me that thinks this is absolutely bonkers? That said, bring it on I think it will be a great positive for the Brexiters.

Are they really that bereft of ideas about what the benefits of staying in are? Still, nit counting any chickens yet.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You smooth talker you....

I have a busy day tomorrow (today).

08:30 Wales v NZ - Don't fancy Wales's chances

10:30 - 13:30 Brexit street campaigning.

14:00 Wales v Slovakia Wales win ir a draw...

20:00 England v Russia. Draw or Russian win


Fun day to be had!
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Im at the rugby tonight if we win God knows if I will make the football or make it back to Australia! Feeling strangely optimistic though that could be the lunchtime ale
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/


Dyson calls bullshit.

“When the Remain campaign tells us no one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it’s absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at nine billion a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year.”

Dyson exports far more to the rest of he world (81 per cent) than Europe (19 per cent). “We’re very pleased with the European market – we’re number one in Germany and France – but it’s small and the real growing and exciting markets are outside Europe.”

He produces another staggering fact. “Sixty per cent of engineering undergraduates at British universities are from outside the EU, and 90 per cent of people doing research in science and engineering at British universities are from outside the EU. And we chuck them out! The point is that it’s completely mad not to welcome them,” he says, “why on earth would you chuck out researchers with that valuable technology which they then take back to China or Singapore and use it against us?"

Softly spoken, Dyson’s Home Service Received Pronunciation tones become incensed when he talks about what he sees as our disloyalty to Commonwealth countries. “They fought for us in two world wars. So that particularly upsets me. We’re missing out on all those people who have helped us and with whom we have a great affinity, often a common language. Culturally, it’s all wrong. We’re not only excluding them from our country, we’re charging them import duty because we’re forced to by the EU. And the food’s cheaper, too.”

His views on Brussels have been shaped by bitter experience. Dyson sits on several European committees. “And we’ve never once during 25 years ever got any clause or measure that we wanted into a European directive. Never once have we been able to block the slightest thing.” “These sessions are dominated by very large companies who agree on their approach before the meeting and so vote together as a bloc. And that’s why we never get anywhere. We think that’s anti-competitive practice and we would love to prove it but…” he gives a helpless shrug.

In one notorious case, Dyson argued that vacuum cleaners should be tested in real homes, just as consumers would use them, in line with what the EU claimed it wanted. His competitors, who make machines with paper bags which clog, insisted the tests should take place in laboratories with brand new bags and filters. And no dust. Guess who won? "The court said there isn’t a test for home use, which is a complete…” he searches for a kinder word, “…untruth. So it’s a politically motivated court of justice. Politically motivated to protect vested interests. I know what they’re like. I know how we have absolutely no control of what goes on in the EU and it’s starting to affect what we do here.”

“It’s just that on this issue I think they’re fundamentally wrong. I don’t just mean from the business point of view, I mean from the point of view of sovereignty and our whole ability to govern ourselves. We will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it and we will be in control of our destiny. And control, I think, is the most important thing in life and business.”

He says what he fears is staying in. “There is no status quo. Europe’s going to change. We all take risks, but they’re very calculated risks. The last thing I would ever want to do is to put myself in somebody else’s hands. So for me the risk is in putting ourselves in the hands of Europe. Not just the other countries, but the Brussels bureaucrats. What I simply can’t understand is why anyone would want to put themselves under their control.”
 
BigJoe#1 said:
It seems like the Remain camp us beginning to crumble.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ed-remain-camp-plans-to-take-out-boris-as-po/

Does anyone agree that if the Remain camp go for attacking Johnson personally it absolutely certain to bolster the Leave bite? Is it just me that thinks this is absolutely bonkers? That said, bring it on I think it will be a great positive for the Brexiters.

Are they really that bereft of ideas about what the benefits of staying in are? Still, nit counting any chickens yet.
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I love how the remain campaign have been battered at every single debate so far. I wish Cameron had the balls to face Johnson, that would really be the nail in the coffin. Can't wait to see Cameron packing his bags and fucking off.
 
Blue Haze said:
They must be trying a new tactic after seeing the latest poll numbers. Most of the polls are seeing a substantial shift toward Leave.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html

I'm genuinely surprised. After the Scotland vote saw people break toward the status quo, it's interesting that they're doing the opposite with regard to the EU.
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There don't appear to be any "undecided" in that poll. Has everyone made up their mind?
 
Manchester_lalala said:
I love how the remain campaign have been battered at every single debate so far. I wish Cameron had the balls to face Johnson, that would really be the nail in the coffin. Can't wait to see Cameron packing his bags and fucking off.
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Me too. Not looking forward to Johnson moving in, though.
 
Balti said:
maybe its the sturgeon effect?
she lost but they drag her out like she's a vote winner and maybe she is in some parts of scotland
south of the border of course she is an anachronism and a liability
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Agreed. Wheeling her out against Boris the other night was another big mistake by the Remainers, a UK citizen, whose sole raison d'etre is
the break up of the UK, telling us to continue to be politically integrated into Europe is a bizarre choice.
 
If I could weigh in to the debate.

Eddie Izzard, I know your funny, you can run and wear lipstick, but please, shut the fuck up!

Thank you.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
I love how the remain campaign have been battered at every single debate so far. I wish Cameron had the balls to face Johnson, that would really be the nail in the coffin. Can't wait to see Cameron packing his bags and fucking off.
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If you don't mind me asking, are you a Labour supporter? I find it incomprehensible that anyone with left-leaning political views would want to replace THE most moderate of Tory politicians with someone whoever it may be who will inevitably be FAR more right wing, far further away from their view of what "good" would be.

It's like going out with your mates to a restaurant and you'd have preferred Italian, but unfortunately you were outvoted and you ended up in an Indian. (Tory government, not a Labour one.) You ordered a mild curry but it's far too hot and predictably, you really don't like it at all. (You've got Cameron.) So what do you do? You say I can't wait to get rid of this korma so they can bring me a vindaloo with extra chillies????

Absolutely fucking bonkers. But please, be my guest. I LOVE hot curry.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
To be honest, I'm not too keen on Johnson. He has come across very well in these past few weeks though. I'd take Johnson over Cameron, but only just.
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I expect Johnson will take over from Cameron at some stage. I'm more concerned about the type of government he forms when he does become PM. If he gets the job immediately after the referendum he would need to change the very strong Remain bias in the Cabinet. He can't be expected to have to conduct negotiations with the EU when his Cabinet is overwhelmingly against Brexit. He'll have to bring in more Leave ministers, especially in the more senior posts running the departments which will be most affected by Brexit. We'll probably see the return of IDS, Fox & Davis. He's then scraping the barrel for suitable contenders. Overall the government will inevitably become even more right wing.
 
Chippy_boy said:
If you don't mind me asking, are you a Labour supporter? I find it incomprehensible that anyone with left-leaning political views would want to replace THE most moderate of Tory politicians with someone whoever it may be who will inevitably be FAR more right wing, far further away from their view of what "good" would be.

It's like going out with your mates to a restaurant and you'd have preferred Italian, but unfortunately you were outvoted and you ended up in an Indian. (Tory government, not a Labour one.) You ordered a mild curry but it's far too hot and predictably, you really don't like it at all. (You've got Cameron.) So what do you do? You say I can't wait to get rid of this korma so they can bring me a vindaloo with extra chillies????

Absolutely fucking bonkers. But please, be my guest. I LOVE hot curry.
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For all the hype about the next government and Tory leader in particular I would still prefer to have an elected government that can be removed by the electorate than the alternative that the EU offers.

I dont think there is any possibility that the NHS (which is the big chip issue) will be privatised in the next couple of decades, the public wouldn't stand for it. The NHS does need to be reformed and there will be some hard decisions to be made. Things like non-life threatening procedures will probably need to be removed, things like IVF and cosmetic surgery for example cost a huge amount but are not absolutely necessary. It will be tough going forward but that I'm afraid is the way of the world today!
 
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Boris and his pals want no European employment protection and wage legislation. They want non unionised cheap labour to maximise their profits that is all. A Tory cabinet under Boris would be much further to the right, Britain would be broken up and England would be extremely isolated with neighbours looking to put the boot in on all sides. Voting to leave would be madness for the majority of the population .
 
YPhrunts said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/


Dyson calls bullshit.

“When the Remain campaign tells us no one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it’s absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at nine billion a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year.”

Dyson exports far more to the rest of he world (81 per cent) than Europe (19 per cent). “We’re very pleased with the European market – we’re number one in Germany and France – but it’s small and the real growing and exciting markets are outside Europe.”

He produces another staggering fact. “Sixty per cent of engineering undergraduates at British universities are from outside the EU, and 90 per cent of people doing research in science and engineering at British universities are from outside the EU. And we chuck them out! The point is that it’s completely mad not to welcome them,” he says, “why on earth would you chuck out researchers with that valuable technology which they then take back to China or Singapore and use it against us?"

Softly spoken, Dyson’s Home Service Received Pronunciation tones become incensed when he talks about what he sees as our disloyalty to Commonwealth countries. “They fought for us in two world wars. So that particularly upsets me. We’re missing out on all those people who have helped us and with whom we have a great affinity, often a common language. Culturally, it’s all wrong. We’re not only excluding them from our country, we’re charging them import duty because we’re forced to by the EU. And the food’s cheaper, too.”

His views on Brussels have been shaped by bitter experience. Dyson sits on several European committees. “And we’ve never once during 25 years ever got any clause or measure that we wanted into a European directive. Never once have we been able to block the slightest thing.” “These sessions are dominated by very large companies who agree on their approach before the meeting and so vote together as a bloc. And that’s why we never get anywhere. We think that’s anti-competitive practice and we would love to prove it but…” he gives a helpless shrug.

In one notorious case, Dyson argued that vacuum cleaners should be tested in real homes, just as consumers would use them, in line with what the EU claimed it wanted. His competitors, who make machines with paper bags which clog, insisted the tests should take place in laboratories with brand new bags and filters. And no dust. Guess who won? "The court said there isn’t a test for home use, which is a complete…” he searches for a kinder word, “…untruth. So it’s a politically motivated court of justice. Politically motivated to protect vested interests. I know what they’re like. I know how we have absolutely no control of what goes on in the EU and it’s starting to affect what we do here.”

“It’s just that on this issue I think they’re fundamentally wrong. I don’t just mean from the business point of view, I mean from the point of view of sovereignty and our whole ability to govern ourselves. We will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it and we will be in control of our destiny. And control, I think, is the most important thing in life and business.”

He says what he fears is staying in. “There is no status quo. Europe’s going to change. We all take risks, but they’re very calculated risks. The last thing I would ever want to do is to put myself in somebody else’s hands. So for me the risk is in putting ourselves in the hands of Europe. Not just the other countries, but the Brussels bureaucrats. What I simply can’t understand is why anyone would want to put themselves under their control.”
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