EU referendum

[BigJoe#1]

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The government can't go to the country.
We are committed to 5 year terms unless a vote of no confidence is carried and no other government can be formedd from the current parliament.

I understand that Denis..... But I think there will be a vote of no confidence carried, this PM is massively unpopular within his own party. I also think the Tory party is so fractured this parliament will not be capable of forming another government, only my thoughts!

 

[BigJoe#1]

When you wake up to the fact that your paper is Tory just remember there are two sides to every story.

Totally accept that this paper is Tory (BTW it certainly ain't MY paper, I can't stands it's). So is Cameron and so is the government. What are you trying to say?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

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I understand that Denis..... But I think there will be a vote of no confidence carried, this PM is massively unpopular within his own party. I also think the Tory party is so fractured this parliament will not be capable of forming another government, only my thoughts!

Let the Tories just have a leadership election and either become more fractured or sort themselves out! The right of the Tory party and UKIP could merge that wouldn't add MPS but give them a common cause!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

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I understand that Denis..... But I think there will be a vote of no confidence carried, this PM is massively unpopular within his own party. I also think the Tory party is so fractured this parliament will not be capable of forming another government, only my thoughts!

The Commons is so fractured that a lot of MPs could cross the floor from other parties to join the Tory Brexit rump to see them through to the 5 years.
It would cause outrage and some would call it unconstitutional but it could happen.

On the other hand Parliament may just say yah boo sucks to a Brexit win and not implement it by voting down every motion.

 

[Mike N]

Cameron is currently on BBC continually urging the country not to 'risk it'. This is a weird phrase to use as it's him who has 'risked it' by holding the election. As I type he's continuing to use the phrase. Joker.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Watching Dave on the telly and I've just noticed he's dyeing his hair.
It's an undeniable fact that any bloke who does this is a complete and utter wanker.
Let himself down badly this bloke, his credibility is diminishing daily.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Cameron is currently on BBC continually urging the country not to 'risk it'. This is a weird phrase to use as it's him who has 'risked it' by holding the election. As I type he's continuing to use the phrase. Joker.

He's a man who nearly fractured the United Kingdom (he may well succeed) and now he's taken us to the brink of leaving the largest trading block in the world.

I have no words to express my disgust at this dangerous vacuous chancer.

 

[BigJoe#1]

What a classic, Camerons face was a picture...

Absolutely classic line from Andrew Marr minutes ago, whilst interviewing Cameron he said "the public are begining to get fed up of your scare tactics and they have stopped believing you. You are begining to come across as saying vote remain or the puppy gets it"

 

[BlueHammer85]

I didn't say he could have played it better, just that I think he's played it badly, that said....

I think he would have been better advised to have been a bit more statesman like and not to get the government so involved with the remain campaign, the Tory party yes, the government no. If he had displayed an air of professionalism by giving the balanced view, giving scenarios where the positives and negatives of remaining and leaving were presented he would have done betterBecause he's thrown himself and the government behind the remain campaign and to be fair, been the leader of the scare tactics arguement (I accept Brexit have mis led too, but not as bad as Remainers - with their latest forecast) his reputation is in tatters. He was hardly a popular PM in the first place so there are a lot of Brexiters who will be seeing thus as an opportunity to kick him in the balls, regardless of the European question - that's why I think he's played it badly, but it f you disagree and think the the boy done good, then fine, no problem!

When he is being told by the ...

Bank Of England
IMF
IFS
US Goverement
And pretty much every leading institution that Brexit is a bad idea, I think it would be wrong of him to take a back seat on this issue.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

What a classic, Camerons face was a picture...

Absolutely classic line from Andrew Marr minutes ago, whilst interviewing Cameron he said "the public are begining to get fed up of your scare tactics and they have stopped believing you. You are begining to come across as saying vote remain or the puppy gets it"

Yes that was a top line. Though Cameron answered the questions well but Marr was very easy on both Dave and Farrage. Maybe Andrew was in the pop watching the football last night!

 

[BigJoe#1]

When you wake up to the fact that your paper is Tory just remember there are two sides to every story.

Here you go another Tory paper for you....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/leaked-uk-plan-to-open-doors-for-1m-turks-n085h225w

The EU is going to fail!

 

[Chippy_boy]

As a further extension to Chippy Boys question, Theresa May is an example of how Cameron would have been better advised to act, as PM he should be talking about what as PM he will be doing if we leave or if we remain.

He is convinced, and the official government position, is that we would be far better off by remaining and he sees it as his duty to lay out the facts as he sees them and to try to convince the electorate to do the right thing as he sees it. It's not as if every independent body is advising him against and he's sticking his neck out with an outlanding position, is it. His view is supported by pretty much every independent think-tank, research organisation, you name it.

In these circumstances, to suggest he should be painting a positive picture of Britain *outside* the EU is just as ridiculous as to suggest that Farage should be setting out his vision for Britain staying in the EU. You're surely not suggesting that are you?

What's become VERY apparent in this long debate is that a lot of the sentiment of the Leave camp, and indeed the very voting intention of the leave camp are at least in part motivated by an ingrained dislike of the incumbent government in general and the PM in particular. No doubt heavily influenced by the 7 years of austerity that has been NEEDED to get the country back on track (as it now would seem to be) after the dire, precipitous position Cameron inherited.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Watching Dave on the telly and I've just noticed he's dyeing his hair.
It's an undeniable fact that any bloke who does this is a complete and utter wanker.
Let himself down badly this bloke, his credibility is diminishing daily.

So you despise Bojo whose dyed his hair for years then?

 

[BigJoe#1]

He is convinced, and the official government position, is that we would be far better off by remaining and he sees it as his duty to lay out the facts as he sees them and to try to convince the electorate to do the right thing as he sees it. It's not as if every independent body is advising him against and he's sticking his neck out with an outlanding position, is it. His view is supported by pretty much every independent think-tank, research organisation, you name it.

In these circumstances, to suggest he should be painting a positive picture of Britain *outside* the EU is just as ridiculous as to suggest that Farage should be setting out his vision for Britain staying in the EU. You're surely not suggesting that are you?

What's become VERY apparent in this long debate is that a lot of the sentiment of the Leave camp, and indeed the very voting intention of the leave camp are at least in part motivated by an ingrained dislike of the incumbent government in general and the PM in particular. No doubt heavily influenced by the 7 years of austerity that has been NEEDED to get the country back on track (as it now would seem to be) after the dire, precipitous position Cameron inherited.

Like I say, if you think he has done or is doing a good job then good luck to you. I personally think he's done a very poor job and he should have been astute enough to read the situation and foresee what the British public are thinking, especially when over 70% never voted for him. The man is an incompetent nincumpoop at best, but like I say if you think the boys doing good, fair play to you!

 

[Chippy_boy]

Here you go another Tory paper for you....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/leaked-uk-plan-to-open-doors-for-1m-turks-n085h225w

The EU is going to fail!

You don't seem to understand that the right wing press are not being objective, do you. Or perhaps you do, and chose to ignore the fact. Whatever, I really am getting to the point of being beyond caring. Nothing said on here is going to change the result one iota, and given that the majority of people on here have completely blinkered and bigoted views, there's really no point in continuing.

In fact, as I type, I'm realising, I am out. I can't debate with idiots any longer (and I am not including YOU in that category by the way). If people want to vote leave because they hate Cameron, go ahead. I'd prefer a more right wing leader anyway.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Here you go another Tory paper for you....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/leaked-uk-plan-to-open-doors-for-1m-turks-n085h225w

The EU is going to fail!

And while we're on the subject of Tory papers, The Mail has an extract from former Labour policy unit head Lord Donoughue's diaries. He says:

The French still haven't had their Thatcherite revolution. Their economy is uncompetitive and their public services are bloated, yet they have 13 per cent unemployed. Living there, one sees how their national spirit has declined. They are tied to the Germans, restoring the European Reich that Hitler started to build in 1940–44, but this time willingly, peacefully and servilely.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-foibles-vanities-rule-us.html#ixzz4BM1qAmmy

So if what you want is a German dominated European super-state then make sure you vote Remain.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

And while we're on the subject of Tory papers, The Mail has an extract from former Labour policy unit head Lord Donoughue's diaries. He says:


So if what you want is a German dominated European super-state then make sure you vote Remain.

Is this the same Lord Donoughoue who was a stockbroker and deputy editor of the Times? Hardly credentials for a remain die hard!

Also, yes France has its economic problems but it is still a fantastic place to visit (at least when the French don't have to contend with football riots)!

 

[YPhrunts]

Just heard on Radio 4 that Cameron has said that spending on pensions and the NHS would be affected if we left. Fucking hell, Conservatives in worrying statement about NHS spending!

Also reporting that Corbyn is getting some abuse for appearing in a comedy programme rather than getting involved in the referendum.

Did he say why we should be supporting Greeks with another bailout so that they can retire at 55 while we with our austerity package have to work until we are 67?
No thought not.

 

[YPhrunts]

You don't seem to understand that the right wing press are not being objective, do you. Or perhaps you do, and chose to ignore the fact. Whatever, I really am getting to the point of being beyond caring. Nothing said on here is going to change the result one iota, and given that the majority of people on here have completely blinkered and bigoted views, there's really no point in continuing.

In fact, as I type, I'm realising, I am out. I can't debate with idiots any longer (and I am not including YOU in that category by the way). If people want to vote leave because they hate Cameron, go ahead. I'd prefer a more right wing leader anyway.

Cheerio, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

 

[YPhrunts]

This post from Spiegel made me sit up.....

And PMSL.

Gestern, 09:02 von doubletrouble2
Should I stay or should I go ?

Think of Her Royal Majesty, the Queen of Great Britain and imagine her beeing upset with her beloved corgis, after beeing biten for several times. What would happen ? Would her Majesty move out of Buckingham Palace an leave it to the dogs ? Or would the pets be displaced from the residence ?
The answer is quite complicated in real life, but easy from a metaphorical point of view. What if the dogs names were Jean Claude, Angela an Francois ? That means : Who is leaving whome ? Can Britain leave Europe at all, or at last promt Europe to leave the island ? From this perspective the answer is simple :
Move Europe out of Britain and find some new, more mannerly subtenants.