EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
genuine question....didnt the EU block that vote against "freedom of movement" and its having to be settled in the courts? cheers mate
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The European Commission issued a statement saying that it was "disappointed" in the Swiss referendum on immigration restriction result but would wait to study how exactly the outcome of the referendum affects the relations between Switzerland and the European Union.[20] European Commission vice-president Viviane Reding stated that the result of the referendum could jeopardise Switzerland's access to the European single market, saying "The single market is not Swiss cheese."[21]
 
papillon said:
Sorry mate. My response above was in reply this.
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I think deep down Cameron isn't too bothered. I suspect he's anti-euro at heart and is just playing the long game. They know Labour are unlikely to win the next election and are just laying down the path for the next PM/Chancellor combo of Johnson/Gove.
 
blueish swede said:
Leaders lead. That's what they do. They have a plan and convince others to follow their plan. From Matin Luther to Martin Luther King leaders set out their manifesto and convince others to go with them on the journey. Their is no leadership in the Brexit campaign. There is no plan from the Brexit campaign. The Brexit campaign has no journey because it has no destination. It is a rudderless ship.

As any cheap self help cd will tell you - failing to plan is planning to fail. Brexit will fail.

Brexit will fail Britain.
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There will be plans. However, different people will have different plans (no doubt with things in common) and they don't have any idea whether they will be in a position to enforce those plans.

The vote has to be on whether we want to stay in the EU, and currently I see very very little from the EU that makes it look worthwhile. I like the common market (though don't see why we can't return to an EEC in the event of an EU collapse) and I respect the importance they place on funding research, which I don't trust any of our likely governments to propose. Other than that, it's wasteful and even farcical. The notion that all treaty change is off the table (such as the trips to vote in Strasbourg) is akin to Americans saying that their second amendment cannot be amended.

I also believe that, as the 5th largest economy in the world, we will have no problem emulating the other 150 or so countries of the world that don't require a central government to trade and prosper. I think there might be an initial hit whilst we adjust but we'll be better in the long run, and if we don't then the people responsible will be accountable.
 
CityStu said:
Boris and Gove will no doubt have discussed what they'd do if one of them was PM, but whilst they aren't it wouldn't be right to air those discussions. You should vote to Leave because the EU is undemocratic. It may not be so bad at the moment (just a little overbearing), however the position of most power in Europe is not an elected role and I don't want the possibility of the wrong person being sat there. Plus, I think we're big boys and will be absolutely fine standing on our own two feet trading with the world.

Remain's contingency is not credible, as several of your much loved experts have stated.

Just common sense really and trying not to be told what to do by people who no doubt have vested interests and have absolutely nothing in common with me. I'm sure Richard Branson fully understands the negatives of freedom of movement from his beach on Necker Island.
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I'd never vote Leave because I just know we are better off Remaining.

Leaving will mean in short order Airbus will relocate to Toulouse as the French have always wanted - Germany will pressure BMW to transfer MIMI production to Bavaria - the French will offer Toyota incentives to move production to the plant at Onnaing - Nissan are half owned by Renault so work that one out - you can't be Billy Big Bollocks with a rapidly declining economy and you are wasting your time trying to negotiate trade deals for products that very soon you won't be making. As for the German car exports to the UK - they will still happen - I am sure the EU will see to that in said negotiations. And no matter what happens that patriot Sir James Dyson won't repatriate production from Malaysia to teh UK to support British workers once we are out of the EU
 
papillon said:
The quite derogatory nature of the 'debate' from the remain team I have found to be insulting. The whole plan from Osborne, Cameron et.al., has been scaremongering and Project Fear, which we all know, but the way they have gone about it tonight has been blatant and quite frankly I simply don't want to be bullied into thinking a certain way any longer.
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Tbf both sides peddle project fear remain is anout the ecconomy, leave about immigration and controlling our country, difference is one is doing it in an agressive way which puts people off the other side do it more subbtly If I had a choice I would rather not have to back any of the wankers, but I have to choose one and take back control is a nonsense and I don't trust the 3 years left of the tories in the aftermath to not try to repeal workers and health and safety rights and if their business interests and friend require it, so they won't protect me as a working man. If we had a decent governmemt I may have voted leave but we don't
 
when these remainers bang on about brits being free to go and work in spain, italy and the rest of europe have they not seen the levels of unemployement in the eurozone, theres not jobs for their own people
 
Erdogan advisor reacts to PM ruling out Turkey joining EU for yrs: "We're flabbergasted! We thought [he] was our chief supporter"
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A web of lies. It was the clear policy of the UK to support Turkish membership, until it wasn't, last tuesday about 10:30.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I'd never vote Leave because I just know we are better off Remaining.

Leaving will mean in short order Airbus will relocate to Toulouse as the French have always wanted - Germany will pressure BMW to transfer MIMI production to Bavaria - the French will offer Toyota incentives to move production to the plant at Onnaing - Nissan are half owned by Renault so work that one out - you can't be Billy Big Bollocks with a rapidly declining economy and you are wasting your time trying to negotiate trade deals for products that very soon you won't be making. As for the German car exports to the UK - they will still happen - I am sure the EU will see to that in said negotiations. And no matter what happens that patriot Sir James Dyson won't repatriate production from Malaysia to teh UK to support British workers once we are out of the EU
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I'd never vote Remain because I just know we are better off Leaving. Try coming up with arguments that aren't stupid.

That's just such a pessimistic view. Why will the struggling French economy be able to offer these incentives that the UK can't match? Why are the EU going to screw the UK on trade yet we won't be able to screw them, despite us buying more from them than they buy from us? The customer is always right after all.

I'm looking forward to simple new trade agreements with other countries. Who needs French wine when we've negotiated Australian and Chilean wine to come in far more cheaply?
 
bluethrunthru said:
I'd never vote Leave because I just know we are better off Remaining.

Leaving will mean in short order Airbus will relocate to Toulouse as the French have always wanted - Germany will pressure BMW to transfer MIMI production to Bavaria - the French will offer Toyota incentives to move production to the plant at Onnaing - Nissan are half owned by Renault so work that one out - you can't be Billy Big Bollocks with a rapidly declining economy and you are wasting your time trying to negotiate trade deals for products that very soon you won't be making. As for the German car exports to the UK - they will still happen - I am sure the EU will see to that in said negotiations. And no matter what happens that patriot Sir James Dyson won't repatriate production from Malaysia to teh UK to support British workers once we are out of the EU
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Lol

Airbus relocating to Toulouse would cost them more than they have made in the last 10 years and put them so far behind Boeing they would be dead.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I'd never vote Leave because I just know we are better off Remaining.

Leaving will mean in short order Airbus will relocate to Toulouse as the French have always wanted - Germany will pressure BMW to transfer MIMI production to Bavaria - the French will offer Toyota incentives to move production to the plant at Onnaing - Nissan are half owned by Renault so work that one out - you can't be Billy Big Bollocks with a rapidly declining economy and you are wasting your time trying to negotiate trade deals for products that very soon you won't be making. As for the German car exports to the UK - they will still happen - I am sure the EU will see to that in said negotiations. And no matter what happens that patriot Sir James Dyson won't repatriate production from Malaysia to teh UK to support British workers once we are out of the EU
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Before we joined we had many industries, car and steel for instance. Now we have nothing..We have just have low paid service sector jobs, as everything else as been hawked off.
In charge of our own destiny our jobs won't be easily moved elsewhere.
 
Isabel Oakeshott on News24.

An uber posh Tory but I would,harder than Thatcher fucked the miners.
 
blueish swede said:
Is that a Treasury report written by economists or experts or both?
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It's written by the same expert economists the pro-Remain posters keep telling us we should listen to. And they're saying that the worst case scenario is that there will be a less than 0.5% hit to GDP for 12 months if we leave. On the other hand, if we stay, within 10 years the EU central finance ministry will be telling us how much tax we need to raise (although it'll be up to us how we raise it) and how much we can spend (although it'll be up to us how we spend it).
 
Gaz in Belgium said:
Before we joined we had many industries, car and steel for instance. Now we have nothing..We have just have low paid service sector jobs, as everything else as been hawked off.
In charge of our own destiny our jobs won't be easily moved elsewhere.
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But what with? The time to leave was when we had industry. Now - after we sold most of it off to foreign owners ( steel is a great example ) and they closed it down leaving us with those low paid service sector jobs you mention what do we have to offer what do we have to export.....
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Watch my lips. The Civil Service will have prepared a series of options and a plan for Brexit. That's what they do. I was working for a Government ministry in 2010 at the time of the election and the transition is seamless as the Civil Servants in the department have studied what the incoming government are likely to do and prepare accordingly. There will be a paper outlining our options for leaving and what the preferred path is.
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We don't control the rest of the EUs approach to exit negotiations so nobody can guarantee that the transition would be seamless. We don't dictate the exact nature of how we leave, it's a negotiation.
 
If we vote to leave the EU the only democratic thing to do is call an immediate general election. Such a massive move of the goalposts means the public should be able to decide who leads the next move.
 
bluethrunthru said:
But what with? The time to leave was when we had industry. Now - after we sold most of it off to foreign owners ( steel is a great example ) and they closed it down leaving us with those low paid service sector jobs you mention what do we have to offer what do we have to export.....
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thats very defeatist, surrender monkey!
 
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