EU referendum

[argyle]

Worth a watch for the undecideds

Peter Hitchens is a far right writer who is a self confessed imperialist and want's Britain to go back to ruling other countries.

That's not going to be the most considered and reasonable video.

 

[Metal Biker]

Peter Hitchens is a far right writer who is a self confessed imperialist and want's Britain to go back to ruling other countries.

That's not going to be the most considered and reasonable video.

So the idea of one political entity ruling over another is an abhorrent thought for you?

How did you vote again?

 

[argyle]

Make sure you take a black pen with you just been told they're using pencils FFS.

Lol, in every election they use pencils

Why is this a problem now?

 

[argyle]

So the idea of one political entity ruling over another is an abhorrent thought for you?

How did you vote again?

I get it you're a rabid outer but those two aren't the same.

 

[manctheknife]

Tbh i doubt my Mrs would know what TTiP was if it fell on her head. She's only recently qualified as a nurse, and the reasons for voting for leave are more based on what she saw/experienced while she was doing her training/degree & also how the UK (& EU) should function in her view.

Mrs MTK is a senior staff nurse, and both daughters are Nurses...all voted out. The wife has raised TTIP with suits at the hospital, to be met with a mixture of pooh pooing and Hurrumphing...

 

[Metal Biker]

I get it you're a rabid outer but those two aren't the same.

So which has more authority in the UK, the Crown Court or the ECJ?

 

[Pino]

Pity the MSM have mainly confused and distorted the issues to the detriment of the Brexit vote.
Unfortunately people vote for the immediate concern of their bellies and pockets and Project Fear has had some success with the feeble minded.
Our children and grandchildren are the ones who will have to suffer under an anti-democratic,corrupt and Corporate controlled EU, should the vote go the way of remain.
As an aside, I have read there will be no Exit polls by the major TV or newspapers. If this be true we have shades of the Scottish referendum and vote manipulation to look forward to.
Whatever happens, Cameron is a dead duck, so he will be dumped by his Masters and his incompetent Chancellor Osborne too.
The larger picture of the EU and its NATO attack dog loom menacingly in the Baltics, and trolling US Navy destroyers in the Black Sea.
This issue was never raised and is an adJunct to the failure of the EU to maintain peace in Europe. There is a dark cloud hanging over the sunny uplands of this Sceptred Isle.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

More dodging. People don't like Cameron for his policies. People don't like Juncker for his policies in Europe.

How do we, the citizens of the European Union, remove a Commissioner from their appointed position, corrupt or not? If we disagree with the motives and political views of an appointed Commissioner, how can we remove them from their appointed position?

Zero dodging but now you are making a better effort of formulating what you are trying to say we can begin.
If not corrupt, there is no need. Like the PM his position comes up every five years and he will be moved on. The next guy will be elected by the heads of states who are there as the country has elected them.
If corrupt, find what they have been corrupt about, file charges, arrest them, and the President and his commission may be removed from office by a vote of censure from Parliament. Parliament has ever done this to date, however the imminence of such a vote in 1999, due to allegations of financial mismanagement, led to the Jacques Santer amongst others resigning on their own accord, before the Parliamentary vote.

 

[argyle]

So which has more authority in the UK, the Crown Court or the ECJ?

Depends on the case.

It also doesn't just go from the crown court straight to European courts.

Many laws in this country are also made by unelected judges which is under Common Law.

 

[argyle]

Pity the MSM have mainly confused and distorted the issues to the detriment of the Brexit vote.
Unfortunately people vote for the immediate concern of their bellies and pockets and Project Fear has had some success with the feeble minded.
Our children and grandchildren are the ones who will have to suffer under an anti-democratic,corrupt and Corporate controlled EU, should the vote go the way of remain.
As an aside, I have read there will be no Exit polls by the major TV or newspapers. If this be true we have shades of the Scottish referendum and vote manipulation to look forward to.
Whatever happens, Cameron is a dead duck, so he will be dumped by his Masters and his incompetent Chancellor Osborne too.
The larger picture of the EU and its NATO attack dog loom menacingly in the Baltics, and trolling US Navy destroyers in the Black Sea.
This issue was never raised and is an adJunct to the failure of the EU to maintain peace in Europe. There is a dark cloud hanging over the sunny uplands of this Sceptred Isle.

Pam was banned for calling Brexit voters names, can the other side stop it too.

In fact that's part of the problem. There is only two sides allowed on this, a yes or no vote.

I've voted in but it's not like I'm a lover of everything the E.U. does and I certainly am not a voter of Cameron.

 

[Metal Biker]

Zero dodging but now you are making a better effort of formulating what you are trying to say we can begin.
If not corrupt, there is no need. Like the PM his position comes up every five years and he will be moved on. The next guy will be elected by the heads of states who are there as the country has elected them.
If corrupt, find what they have been corrupt about, file charges, arrest them, and the President and his commission may be removed from office by a vote of censure from Parliament. Parliament has ever done this to date, however the imminence of such a vote in 1999, due to allegations of financial mismanagement, led to the Jacques Santer amongst others resigning on their own accord, before the Parliamentary vote.

A vote of censure from Parliament...
Will the European Parliament then choose the replacement candidate or will the people of Europe be given a selection of candidates to choose from which Parliament will then consider at the end of a tallying vote?

My initial question was fine, by the way. I gave 'corruption' as an example, an incentive that would require the Commissioners removal so as not to become bogged down in the pedantic reasoning for the Commissioners removal. I could have said scandalous or ineptitude but corruption was more biting as there are very few people who could justify a person being kept in a position of authority having been found guilty of it.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

But everyone gets above and everyone agrees with you, you will get the govt you want. You're moaning about our democracy because you're not getting the outcome you want.

I think remain will get the vote today against my wishes but that's democracy and I will have to live with it.

There is nothing democratic in the EU voting system as you're not voting on anything other than an individual.

No, i am pointing out our democracy is the same as the the EU elections. Brexit continually harp they are unelected, they are not.
It seems you are not happy and are even less happy that it is clear there is very little difference. You have not swallowed their lies have you?
I voted for Afzal Khan in the EU election. He represents me as he is a Labour party nominee and he represented the idea closest to me, just as i did Jeff Smith as he is the Labour party candidate.

 

[Metal Biker]

Depends on the case.

It also doesn't just go from the crown court straight to European courts.

Many laws in this country are also made by unelected judges which is under Common Law.

No, it doesn't.

But a person can appeal to the ECJ and many have done because they 'disagreed' with the findings in our own courts.
So again, I ask, is this something you agree with or find abhorrent that the highest authority in the country in regards to statutory law isn't even based in the country?

 

[blueincy]

Lol, in every election they use pencils

Why is this a problem now?

Because of cunts like you with a rubber;-)

 

[BigJoe#1]

Well thats it folks, Remain will win the referendum. Just been to bookies, they're offering Remain 1/10 and Brexit 6/1. They've been taking bets of £10,000 and £20,000 on remain. Disappointed, but hey shit happens. I sincerely hope this will not prove to be an occasion where people like me will be forced to say... "Well I did warn you". Cameron and Osbourne are going to be utterly unbearable.

 

[Metal Biker]

No, i am pointing out our democracy is the same as the the EU elections. Brexit continually harp they are unelected, they are not.
It seems you are not happy and are even less happy that it is clear there is very little difference. You have not swallowed their lies have you?
I voted for Afzal Khan in the EU election. He represents me as he is a Labour party nominee and he represented the idea closest to me, just as i did Jeff Smith as he is the Labour party candidate.

Would you be happy if the appointed peerages in the House of Lords made the laws in the country that were passed down to the House of Commons to vote on, knowing that the Conservatives held a majority?

 

[Metal Biker]

Well thats it folks, Remain will win the referendum. Just been to bookies, they're offering Remain 1/10 and Brexit 6/1. They've been taking bets of £10,000 and £20,000 on remain. Disappointed, but hey shit happens. I sincerely hope this will not prove to be an occasion where people like me will be forced to say... "Well I did warn you". Cameron and Osbourne are going to be utterly unbearable.

I don't quite understand why people would put £20,000 in the hope of getting £2000 back. There must be very rich people with money to burn about. Must be nice for them, eh?

 

[manctheknife]

Well thats it folks, Remain will win the referendum. Just been to bookies, they're offering Remain 1/10 and Brexit 6/1. They've been taking bets of £10,000 and £20,000 on remain. Disappointed, but hey shit happens. I sincerely hope this will not prove to be an occasion where people like me will be forced to say... "Well I did warn you". Cameron and Osbourne are going to be utterly unbearable.

Ironing my 'Don't blame me, I wanted OUT' tee shirt as we speak.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

A vote of censure from Parliament...
Will the European Parliament then choose the replacement candidate or will the people of Europe be given a selection of candidates to choose from which Parliament will then consider at the end of a tallying vote?

My initial question was fine, by the way. I gave 'corruption' as an example, an incentive that would require the Commissioners removal so as not to become bogged down in the pedantic reasoning for the Commissioners removal. I could have said scandalous or ineptitude but corruption was more biting as there are very few people who could justify a person being kept in a position of authority having been found guilty of it.

Fair enough but i am not a mind reader! Anyhow we got there through talking and that is how the EU works.

As far as i am aware the EP will vote as you have mandated them to do that with your vote.
When Dave gets lobbed for being a clown, are the tories going to give us all some names to give us a tallying vote and elect the new clown to inflict more austerity on us or will they do it with me and you having no say in who leads the tories and ultimately the country until the next General Election.?

 

[Metal Biker]

Fair enough but i am not a mind reader! Anyhow we got there through talking and that is how the EU works.

As far as i am aware the EP will vote as you have mandated them to do that with your vote.
When Dave gets lobbed for being a clown, are the tories going to give us all some names to give us a tallying vote and elect the new clown to inflict more austerity on us or will they do it with me and you having no say in who leads the tories and ultimately the country until the next General Election.?

Do you feel the proposed reforms will be accepted by the European Union? If they are not would you feel justificvation for those who voted to remain on the back of the promised proposed by the Remain campaign and Cameron himself?

In my view if those reforms are not accepted, another referendum is wholly justified as many who have switched to remain could claim they did so on the basis they were guaranteed by Cameron that the reforms would be accepted and those reforms were what originally had them voting out if they were not.