Euro U21 Championships

[dadnlad]

have city been blamed yet

 

[blueinsa]

have city been blamed yet

Im led to believe Lawrenson has tried this morning whilst ranting about Sterling again lol.

 

[IH8MUFC]

English players are behind the rest of the world, don't let the media fool you.

It's a good job you are here. I was buying the media saying that ings is as good as messi, ward prowse is as good as iniesta and Kane is on Ronaldo's level.

What would I have done without you?

 

[its a Barm]

nothing new to see here move on.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Funny because, after copying the likes of Holland, France, and Spain, we actually got further in this competition than those particular countries.
The only problem is that in trying to be more continental, we've lost the art of English dogged determination.

Remember last year when the Uruguayan left back was concussed, but refused to go off, and almost fought with his bench when they tried to substitute him?
England used to have loads of those type of players, who would bully their team mates into giving an extra one per cent. We also used to be able to defend set pieces, but now we're a defensive shambles at every level.

 

[supercity88]

Whilst there are still promising players at this level, the likes of Shaw, Wilshere, Oxlade and Barkley weren't involved despite being eligible. Sterling too of course. That transforms England and I think an England side with those players could have gone on to win the tournament. The fact that those players (when fit) are involved in the full England set up is testimony to the fact that young players are coming through.

The issue isn't so much about the lack of talent at younger age groups, it's that between the likes of Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney there has been very little in the way of decent quality backing those players up. There's now a gulf of strength in depth. We've a lot of okay players, and some potentially brilliant ones but gone are the days where you had talent in abundance and it was tough to fit players into the side. We had numerous attacking options and quality through defence and midfield.

Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Cole were class acts on their day but the reason they've been/were able to win so many caps is that they've not seriously been challenged.

There are promising signs, but I think the age group of English players between 16-19 can really flourish if those players get game time. We haven't been able to nurture young talent like Spain and Germany because we haven't had a good enough senior squad. As soon as a young player has a good few months, they're in the senior squad and getting games there.

 

[peter.evans]

Whilst there are still promising players at this level, the likes of Shaw, Wilshere, Oxlade and Barkley weren't involved despite being eligible. Sterling too of course. That transforms England and I think an England side with those players could have gone on to win the tournament. The fact that those players (when fit) are involved in the full England set up is testimony to the fact that young players are coming through.

The issue isn't so much about the lack of talent at younger age groups, it's that between the likes of Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney there has been very little in the way of decent quality backing those players up. There's now a gulf of strength in depth. We've a lot of okay players, and some potentially brilliant ones but gone are the days where you had talent in abundance and it was tough to fit players into the side. We had numerous attacking options and quality through defence and midfield.

Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Cole were class acts on their day but the reason they've been/were able to win so many caps is that they've not seriously been challenged.

There are promising signs, but I think the age group of English players between 16-19 can really flourish if those players get game time. We haven't been able to nurture young talent like Spain and Germany because we haven't had a good enough senior squad. As soon as a young player has a good few months, they're in the senior squad and getting games there.

Some good points and we have had some decent players over the years, but as others have said we just are not good enough where it matters, technique and football brain. Until those in charge accept this and the way we develop young players changes we will never win anything.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

I think the thing that has struck me the most having seen is it the U19's - U21's the full England team and the Women's England team is that English players are just technically inferior to their foreign counterparts and tactically poorer too both on and off the pitch. That I think points to deficiencies in the coaching arena and I think Southgate's comment illustrates how out of touch those who coach England teams at whatever level and whatever gender are with the modern game. Its England vs Hungary all over again.

Spot on. We seem to be banging on to our players about how hard work is X% of success etc.
How about we produce players that can stop,control and pass a ball, because from what i've seen,
we are fucking awful at the basics. We seem to still think that athleticism will get us by.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

English players are miles behind the rest of the world, don't let the media fool you.

;-)

 

[supercity88]

Some good points and we have had some decent players over the years, but as others have said we just are not good enough where it matters, technique and football brain. Until those in charge accept this and the way we develop young players changes we will never win anything.

I think we're fine on technique and footballing brain overall. I think the higher powers at the FA have been guilty of trying to change too much. One thing the English have always had more than a lot of nations is higher fitness (needed it in the prem), more strength and a hell of a lot of passion. We play high tempo football. We don't want to see the ball going from one side to the other, we don't care about our possession being 80%. We want attacking football and we want goals.

English football has always been about quick attacking football and getting stuck into the opposition. I understand we need to adapt but if we want Spanish style possession football then as I said, you're looking at the English players around the age of 16-19 at the moment. There are some very solid players technically at that level. There's a lot at City.